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I should register the domain name for Blooding Cool immediately.

I’ll keep running stories about Ike Perlmutter, Some will be positive. Some will be negative. It all depends on what he gets up to.

@Rich Johnson: I just naturally assumed that the post being riddled with typos was a joke at your expense.

My money is on Ike as the culprit. Seems like something obsessive, spiteful Ike would do. He has motive and opportunity. East Coast is his domain. and sources there most likely work for him. As for Arad getting credit lol. I read the Sony/Marvel exchanges in the Sony leaks; when talking about Amazing Spider-Man 2, they imply Arad was probably an idiot that never knew what he was doing.

Perlmutter also gave millions of dollars in support of Drumpf. When BC (I think) broke that story, it got a pretty strong reaction from folks, including some who work for Marvel publishing.

Perhaps that caused enough hassle to have someone decide BC could be fed a new narrative.

I’m shocked that Rich Johnston managed to leave a comment above with no typos in it.

@Skottie: Look at his punctuation and you’ll see that you are mistaken. :-)

@Genius Jones
Do you Ike Perlmutter personally? Or do you just base your judgment on hearsay and the perceptions of people who might or might not know him, but are nonetheless quoted in articles. How do you know he is obsessive and spiteful? After all, Ike himself NEVER talked or defended himself (a wise thing probably). Could you imagine, that Feige got really fond of having power and that he wanted more and more? Could you imagine that he actually is scheming in the background to contribute or establish the Ike-bad-guy image? You are so easily to manipulate. You just base your judgment on whatever you read in the media. But I am sure Feige is not lamb, after all he was the one who basically back-stabbed Ike after Ike was too uncomfortable for him. Now we have a Marvel studio which is run by Feige and every single movie is produced exclusively by him and by him only! That is going to kill the MCU eventually. Inbreeding, closed systems and dictatorships never end well. “Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely”. – and my bet is that Feige is lusting power more than Ike. I am sure both men have their issues and perceptions and this conflict should have been handled in a more intelligent way than what Disney came up with. .But one thing is for sure, the real world is not as simple as a comic book where there is a good guy and a villain, even though Feige might see himself as the superhero now who successfully slew the villain.

@Heidi McDonald
Do you really think the world is as simple as having a good guy and a bad guy? The real world is NOT a comic book where those lines are so clear. There is more than just black and white, that is why I appreciate Johnston’s article in BC very much. Finally someone who tries to shine some light on the bigger picture and not always simply giving in to the primitive good versus evil scheme. Perlmutter is not the bad guy at all. Neither is Feige, but both have their issues and their perceptions and unfortunately Disney chose the most primitive and stupidest solution to “resolve” the conflict. And because their solution was so unenlightened, we are still discussion it, and the Civil War is still going on. I would love it if you could stop from trying to find a good and a bad guy in this situation, but rather try to give a balanced view, so that people can stop playing the blame game, scapegoating and beating up the one person who has never actually said anything to defend himself, but was labelled because of some “sources” take things out of context, project their own perceptions on to it, or are simply disgruntled like those Disney employees. I am sure the big, bad Ike persona which was created by the media (and maybe Feige himself?!) is not even close to the reality of who Perlmutter is.

@Skottie and comicsatemybrain

Is mocking a writer who tries to give some more, and very interesting insights into a story which keeps as all busy the only thing you are capable of? I surely hope you never make a mistake, and that whatever you do serves the public only half as much as what Rich Johnston does. You are unkind and disrespectful.

@sarsar:

“Inbreeding, closed systems and dictatorships never end well. ”

—you ACTUALLY wrote that sentence in defense of Ike Perlmutter…

Civil War did indeed have a Special Thanks section in the credits. I know Christopher Priest was in there but I don’t remember who else.

That kind of angers me. Louise Simonson is genuinely one of the best comic book writers of all time.

Thanks for finally talking about >Louise Simonsons total awesomeness is
noted everywhere – except the end credits of
X-Men Apocalypse — The Beat <Loved it!

“Louise Simonson is genuinely one of the best comic book writers of all time.”

Based on . . . what? Who ever talks about must-read Louise Simonson books?

Alas, we all know she will never see a dime thanks to the practice of Hollywood Accounting. A system that makes even Return of the Jedi still have red numbers. Stan Lee had to sue Marvel to get royalties from the Spider-Man movies. Don’t know how that turned out.

I dunno, if I was her, I might be pleased that no one associated me with that trainwreck of a movie. Assuming, of course, that I got paid behind the scenes.

The sample page posted in the article isn’t written by Louise Simonson, but by Chris Claremont…

Regarding continuity, I haven’t seen “Apocalypse” yet, but “X-Men,” “X2,” and “Days of Future Past” make a nice, coherent little trilogy that allows you to forget the other films.

I haven’t seen Apocalypse yet, but I think that Tony Black makes some of the continuity issues for the franchise more complicated than they need to be (as some of the commenters for his piece explain).

No interest at all in this movie. Go see THE NICE GUYS for a fun time at the movies!

I liked X3, and considering that Brett Rattner was wheeled in at the last minute because Brian Singer got the Primadonnas and left, he did a helluva job!

Just wanted to get that out there.

Yeah that Tony Black is tying himself in knots creating problems that don’t exist.
If you can understand what happens in Back to the Future you can understand what happens in the X-men continuity.

Yeah George, I’m finally catching The Nice Guys tomorrow after an extended vacation. Excited to see it! I also recommend The Lobster.

And Brendan, honestly, the most inscrutable thing about these X-Men movies (beyond their varying quality) are the character ages as this Vulture piece points out: http://www.vulture.com/2016/05/how-old-is-everyone-in-x-men-apocalypse.html

“Go see THE NICE GUYS for a fun time at the movies!”

This, times 1977.

Wait, is this where all the cool kids talk about how good THE NICE GUYS was?

It was really good, you guys.

and I liked how the storm continuity was kept together… BUT, ha! geekn out… after FIVE X-MEN MOVIES NOW, not counting the other spin offs…, yo man, wtf! Pietro was the best opportunity to have Magneto form his Brotherhood in that movie, and the whole lack of confidence telling him he was his son… F()c^ that…! No way, so lame… the ending as a SIXTH installment in the sage GLOBAL franchise: dud. I agree w/other reviews that say the whole ‘getting the band together again’s was using up the gist of the span of the film, the ending could had EASILY culminated in several kick ass battles, and the whole geek satisfaction w/your normal ‘consumer’ leaving the theater going -“Wow, Apocalypse is the S+!+, I want to go read comics about him…!” but no dice, and Magneto should had assembled some Brotherhood out of nowhere at one point w/Blob, Mystique, her oracle girlfriend, and Pyro w/Rouge… The fourth Horseman instead of Magneto could had easily been Kitty Pryde, or even Jean Grey -yeah, Jean: point being = regardless of who the fourth horse man could had been besides Magneto, You Do Not Have That Much Destruction And Then Think Just Ending That Guy Apocalypse Is Just Going To Lead To Anything Remotely Resembling Their `90s And Whatever Else Era B.S. -cities were disintegrating, and Nightcrawler is made out to be a ‘b!+(+, still with his ridiculous scars, and meek self pity praying -the comics, the REAL Nightcrawler always had grace, and class, and style, and he had confidence, and was never ever really able to get over people freaking out at him, this actually very civilized person -kind a decent extreme example how how someone from Europe would generally be considered ‘different’, and at the very least ‘alienated’ in most towns and suburbs where most ‘Americans’/consumers live. So, good job on the intro though for Jean and Scott -Scott Summers though should had been in a school for the blind when they first showed him, as he was hiding his ‘disability’/power after he and his brother fell from that plane, stick with the original plot(!) its easy -see how much cooler I could had made this movie… The ending was too ‘ephemeral’ and extreme with the level of destruction that it was anticlimactic -and there should had been Farouk there -maybe he could had been the fourth horseman, and he could had had the class psychic battle vs.. Xavier at the end -w/Jean Grey backing him up channeling the P-force…

So the best thing about these new era pieces is the way they can show the parts of history that had never been part of the comics; Xavier and Eric’s history, and Hand, and Raven’s background… So this could had been a great way to have had the story of Magneto’s kid, Polaris, or even Wanda, and Pietro, and have him freak out about his baby’s’ mamma’s death and some similar shtick that would still work the with sequential mythos =because Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Chris Claremont, Join Byrne, and so on are all really THAT GREAT, and the movies should flow w/them, their story, OUR Mythos… Not a ‘brand’, or some set of metrics, and contract and marketing patter analysis crap weak over destructive ending -the world would still be in the dark ages, especially considering the oil crisis at that time in early 80s we were all coming out of, and everyone was fleeing the decay of the cities into sprawl and then this movie’s level of destruction made the dialog at the end with their ‘required’ levels of dialog completed to ‘tie up emotional and other b.s. plot threads’….

***
Magnets was SERIOUSLY an act of God in this movie to an extent where everything else made no sense… Like him suddenly joining everyone at the end, and they are all like smiling and ‘meh, let help eachother’… it was just too tie things up that make no sense. After what Magneto did, AND HE IS LIKE ONE OF MY FAV’S YO, like geeking out and all, but PUT A BULLET IN THAT MO’FO’S H E A D yesterday, NOW -he needs to go, he just devastated the entire world, w/ no nukes it is middle ages,… sorry, I GET IT, this is a movie, but after all those movies there could had been character moments that were not just regurgitating the same plot threads and brand images that actors have required in their contracts and the producers will make money of the merchandising and licensing so the ending was just ‘fill’…

FOX: It is OK to build upon past stories now, you have enough movies and merchandising crap that you can have your plots and characters flow into NEW STORIES AND BETTER MOVIE ENDINGS now… PLEASE

Boycott all Fox X-Men movies, the ending of this was lame for something this ‘Epic’, and Moira or whatever her name is, should had always been from Europe, and a geneticist, and had a kid w/Xavier, and he never should had wiped her mind -he is not a coward, but MacAvoys over dramatic voice is also anti-climatic at the end… Sorry @$$ ending for something that is now only ‘epic’ as a merchandising / licensing franchise, and something movie stars use as a global stepping stone branding campaign -yeah, REWARD YOUR FANS, don’t f()^ w/out wallets and time while jobs are outsourced and automated, and everything is made to bread down and take money, and traffic, and asphalt, and Apocalypse movies that after SIX X-MEN movies turns out to ALMOST work =ME LIKE STORM SO MUCH, that gal his so amazing= Alexandra Shipp is about to EXPLODE, that white mohawk n her face is totally worth seeing the movie alone, I have to say… See that Alexandra Shipp movie that has the blue guy with the rebar sticking out his neck, and some guy that gets bald… List to Chemical Brothers during the movie n ‘chill “=)

OK, – Age of Apocalypse has just f()ck!ng aswsome graphics, and I liked how the storm continuity was kept together… BUT, ha! geekn out… after FIVE X-MEN MOVIES NOW, not counting the other spin offs…, yo man, wtf! Pietro was the best opportunity to have Magneto form his Brotherhood in that movie, and the whole lack of confidence telling him he was his son… F()c^ that…! No way, so lame… the ending as a SIXTH installment in the saga GLOBAL franchise: dud. I agree w/other reviews that say the whole ‘getting the band together again’s was using up the gist of the span of the film, the ending could had EASILY culminated in several kick ass battles, and the whole geek satisfaction w/your normal ‘consumer’ leaving the theater going -“Wow, Apocalypse is the S+!+, I want to go read comics about him…!” but no dice, and Magneto should had assembled some Brotherhood out of nowhere at one point w/Blob, Mystique, her oracle girlfriend, and Pyro w/Rouge… The fourth Horseman instead of Magneto could had easily been Kitty Pryde, or even Jean Grey -yeah, Jean: point being = regardless of who the fourth horse man could had been besides Magneto, You Do Not Have That Much Destruction And Then Think Just Ending That Guy Apocalypse Is Just Going To Lead To Anything Remotely Resembling Their `90s And Whatever Else Era B.S. -cities were disintegrating, and Nightcrawler is made out to be a ‘b!+(+, still with his ridiculous scars, and meek self pity praying -the comics, the REAL Nightcrawler always had grace, and class, and style, and he had confidence, and was never ever really able to get over people freaking out at him, this actually very civilized person -kind a decent extreme example how how someone from Europe would generally be considered ‘different’, and at the very least ‘alienated’ in most towns and suburbs where most ‘Americans’/consumers live. So, good job on the intro though for Jean and Scott -Scott Summers though should had been in a school for the blind when they first showed him, as he was hiding his ‘disability’/power after he and his brother fell from that plane, stick with the original plot(!) its easy -see how much cooler I could had made this movie… The ending was too ‘ephemeral’ and extreme with the level of destruction that it was anticlimactic -and there should had been Farouk there -maybe he could had been the fourth horseman, and he could had had the class psycic battle vs.. Xavier at the end -w/Jean Grey backing him up channeling the P-force…

So the best thing about these new era pieces is the way they can show the parts of history that had never been part of the comics; Xavier and Eric’s history, and Hand, and Raven’s background… So this could had been a great way to have had the story of Magneto’s kid, Polaris, or even Wanda, and Pietro, and have him freak out about his baby’s’ mamma’s death and some similar shtick that would still work the with sequential mythos =because Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Chris Claremont, Join Byrne, and so on are all really THAT GREAT, and the movies should flow w/them, their story, OUR Mythos… Not a ‘brand’, or some set of metrics, and contract and marketing patter analysis crap weak over destructive ending -the world would still be in the dark ages, especially considering the oil crisis at that time in early 80s we were all coming out of, and everyone was fleeing the decay of the cities into sprawl and then this movie’s level of destruction made the dialog at the end with their ‘required’ levels of dialog completed to ‘tie up emotional and other b.s. plot threads’….

***
Magnets was SERIOUSLY an act of God in this movie to an extent where everything else made no sense… Like him suddenly joining everyone at the end, and they are all like smiling and ‘meh, lets help eachother now, there were people in all those THOUSANDS of building that were going down every ten SECONDS, but Magneto is on our side now…yaaaay, so all you consumers dont get it and we dont care’… it was just too tie things up that make no sense. After what Magneto did, AND HE IS LIKE ONE OF MY FAV’S YO, like geeking out and all, but PUT A BULLET IN THAT MO’FO’S H E A D yesterday, NOW -he needs to go, he just devastated the entire world, w/ no nukes it is middle ages,… sorry, I GET IT, this is a movie, but after all those movies there could had been character moments that were not just regurgitating the same plot threads and brand images that actors have required in their contracts and the producers will make money of the merchandising and licensing so the ending was just ‘fill’…

FOX: It is OK to build upon past stories now, you have enough movies and merchandising crap that you can have your plots and characters flow into NEW STORIES AND BETTER MOVIE ENDINGS now… PLEASE

Boycott all Fox X-Men movies, the ending of this was lame for something this ‘Epic’, and Moira or whatever her name is, should had always been from Europe, and a geneticist, and had a kid w/Xavier, and he never should had wiped her mind -he is not a coward, but MacAvoys over dramatic voice is also anti-climatic at the end… Sorry @$$ ending for something that is now only ‘epic’ as a merchandising / licensing franchise, and something movie stars use as a global stepping stone branding campaign -yeah, REWARD YOUR FANS, don’t f()^ w/our wallets and time while jobs are outsourced and automated, and everything is made to break down and take money, and traffic, and asphalt, and Apocalypse movies that after SIX X-MEN movies turns out to ALMOST work =ME LIKE STORM SO MUCH, that gal is so amazing= Alexandra Shipp is about to EXPLODE, that white mohawk n her face is totally worth seeing the movie alone, I have to say… See that Alexandra Shipp movie that has the blue guy with the rebar sticking out his neck, and some guy that gets bald… List to Chemical Brothers during the movie n ‘chill “=)

BOYCOTT ALL FOX MOVIES OR I WILL KEEP POSTING THIS… (sorry-hahahhHAAAHaaaHaaa -seriously this movie is full of special effects that will look nice after you wait and watch it eventually on your own home flat screen…

“Cap has been evil before and he’ll be evil again.”

Captain American has not been evil before. He’s been brainwashed, manipulated, impersonated and mistaken. He’s never been evil. Or least he never was when I was reading Marvel Comics, which admittedly stopped back in the early to mid 2000s. So I guess I can’t speak to much after that or about any continuity changes made that would explain how, for example, Hydra would even have been a thing in 1930s/40s America since it was actually created by Baron Strucker in World War II-era Japan.

And for anyone who doesn’t think this whole thing is stupid and lame, what do you think the reaction would be if “The Walking Dead” came out with an episode this fall where they revealed that Rick Grimes has secretly been the scientist responsible for the zombie plague all along?

If anything can happen, then nothing that happens can mean anything.

Mike

Totally agree with MIke’s comment (above)..

As a writer, I like to think that if I were given the awesome privilege of writing a story for a character who has been around for 70+ years or more, I wouldn’t take the opportunity to totally screw up who he is and what he’s about. That is what bothers me the most. They sacrificed Cap’s character and his legacy for the sake of a stupid story that will “get people talking!” and supposedly make them money.

“If anything can happen, then nothing that happens can mean anything.”

Nobody tell him about the magic time travel bullets.

Holy fuck, there is no sacrificing of legacy. It’s obviously going to be a fakeout. Have you brain donors read a comic before?

It’s ridiculous for people to get angry over what is obviously a gimmick designed to get media attention and (hopefully) beef up sales. Didn’t we learn from the “death of Superman” (and later the “death of Captain America”) not to take these “shocking” twists seriously?

Mike said: “Captain American has not been evil before. He’s been brainwashed, manipulated, impersonated and mistaken. He’s never been evil. Or least he never was when I was reading Marvel Comics, which admittedly stopped back in the early to mid 2000s.”

Mike is utterly correct. Cap was brainwashed in that Lee-Kirby story where he salutes Hitler. I stopped reading Captain America in 1996 (after Rob Liefeld’s first issue), so I can’t speak to the last 20 years of Cap. But the character was never evil when I was reading the book.

“There’ve been other stories where he’s been a Nazi/Hydra agent … those were not attempted at a time when racial hatred were already at a recent high, specificlly in the context of addressing that heightened racial hatred.”

Kirby’s Cap-as-Nazi story was drawn in 1965, in the middle of the Civil Rights movement, when racial hatred was at a much greater high than it is now, with much greater repercussion than there are now.

I’m not saying people shouldn’t be outraged by that recent panel if they want to be outraged, but why aren’t they equally (or more!) outraged by the Kirby panel? At that point the Holocaust was only slightly further in the past than 9/11 is to us now.

Heidi, I love this piece! You framed the discussion around this story so well.

In the 15ish years I’ve been a comic book internet human, I don’t remember seeing people incensed about a comic book while invoking so much… I dunno, ethical high ground? It’s a bit surreal. Fun to see people argue it, though!

I really love how Marvel’s marketing bit them on the ass this time. But it’s also one of those any press = good press sorta things, I guess.

Still, it’s been a while since they had this kind of backlash! Probably since the Jemas days, right? Or maybe Joe Q’s Spider-Divorce was like this too and I’m not remembering it well.

“You voted with your attention and hate won.”

For what it is worth (little?) we sold roughly 4x the copies of REBIRTH on Wednesday than we did of the new CAPTAIN AMERICA, so I’m not sure that this is an accurate hot take.

-B

^^^

I think the writer forgets that Captain America just had a worldwide blockbuster success in the cinemas, and people know him from not just the comic books – who have also been joining in this discussion. Of course it will seem like it’s more popular, when Rebirth only really effects long time DC fans.

I think what everyone else is forgetting is that the issue you’re all talking about with the Hitler salute panel, is in tales #67. The cover for that story SETS UP the premise, doesn’t leave it till the end, and the cliffhanger, so to speak, is not on the topic of HOW this could be the case, because it is completely explained within the pages of the book, but how Bucky is going to rescue Cap. A completely different problem. No one tricked anyone, in fact the COVER was the selling point – when covers were used to tease the inside of a book, not just look pretty.

I don’t buy DC’s love and optimism because I feel that their efforts are empty and hollow. It’s a show, and it’s a show that they aren’t even very earnest about.

I also don’t buy Marvel’s kayfabe in telling us “Yeah, Cap’s evil, always was,” but I don’t know why kayfabe is necessary at all.

is Ferry gonna like, draw any comics again, ever?

Like, actual top-tier creators? Cause there are very few of those, and most are busy doing creator-owned work. I want to believe that Marvel has top-tier creators ready to go, but it seems unlikely. Feels like when they call Tom Raney an “all-star artist” or Cullen Bunn a “fan-favorite writer”

I want to see a Marvel Then! event where characters from the Timely and Atlas eras threaten to take back the company from everyone who came post-1961. “We were here first!”

It’s always slightly depressing to hear Marvel shilling their “rich history” as a selling point when their concept of a shared universe is so thin these days that even writers working on the same characters don’t coordinate, dead characters come back with no explanation (and this was happening before SW), and no one seems to know when books take place in relation to each other.

Ah, well.

Looks like someone is desperate to reverse plummeting post-SW sales.

Decision 2016: Everybody Sucks.

They seem to have some big, fundamental change for the character every 2 years or so.
Was that always the case? Where they doing this in the 60s-90s?

Back in the 50s and 60s DC would often do stories like this. The covers showing Superman or Batman betraying their friends or country, only for the whole thing to be revealed as a deception designed to capture a villain. Back then, the story would wrap up in a single issue, and next month you’d get another adventure about the hero you were paying for.

Today, if you pick up a random superhero comic, you might find yourself in the middle of one of these story lines — trapped there for months and months to come. Or worse, you might pick up an issue of any given superhero title only to learn that the hero has been “dead” for months, and you’re actually reading about some replacement person wearing a similar costume (and will be for many months to come).

I guess some readers like these stories, but just as obviously, some readers will walk away and never return. Marvel and DC have been able to count me in that second group for a long time, and gimmicks like these keep me away (fortunately, there’s a TON of great stuff happening elsewhere in comics). Plots may not be irreversible, but lost readers seem to be.

I sometimes wonder if the writers and editors aren’t working for Hydra. It’s incredible that the current Hollywood people actually seem to “get” these Marvel characters better than the current batch comics creators do (DC characters seem to be a mystery to both parties these days).

Having been digging through Englehart’s run lately, I can say “Yeah, pretty much.” Remember the Secret Empire (headed by EVIL RICHARD NIXON!!!), newly-revived Peggy Carter with the fragile psyche, and Nomad, to say nothing of his on-again off-again bromance with Falcon? All within the span of a year? Maybe it seemed like more time, just because they were taking down villains of the moment every ish or two. This current issue reads to me like a story beat, and I’m right entertained and looking forward to more of Spencer’s Steve Rogers; the media blitz around it seems kind of ridiculous, though.

amazes me that the mainstream media cares about shit like this. Don’t these organizations have anyone on staff who actually reads comics and can be like “this is a frigging non-story fake out that will be resolved within six issues and never referenced again”

Shocking. Just shocking!

Or not. Definitely not something I’m putting $5 down for.

“Nothing is permanent, nothing is irreversible.”

Then nothing matters and if nothing matters, why are you reading/watching it?

Mike

sigh. Is Marvel really this desperate? they need to steal a meaningless hedline. This is aimed at people like me, who claim not to care about this superhero bullshit anymore. Of course, hearing this just makes my blood boil.

I predict that a recantation of Spenser-Cap speedier than the one that attended the debacle of the Spider-Clone saga.

“will be speedier”

Cap’s really a H***a Agent. Doc Strange can’t eat real food and pukes up black goop when he uses magic.

The one thing I can say unequivocally is: This is why I’m not buying a lot of Marvel comics these days.

podcornpodcast.com has been down for a while now

also it’d be great if these were downloadable

Hey Risbo, thanks for writing in. We were dealing with some backend server issues, but we’ve fixed it all up now!

We’re hosted on a podcasting service that lists us anywhere you get your podcasts, whether it’s Stitcher, iTunes, or even another app like Pocket Casts. You can download them all there– would you prefer a direct download link as well, though?

yeah, direct download be nice, so that i don’t have to go to “page source” and look for the mp3 file.

thanks.

Oh, god. This was . . . painful to sit though. I’m know I’m old, and listening to young extroverts work out what they’re going to say aloud for 2 minutes is torture for an old introvert like me, but is this the zenith of podcasting? I know I’m probably not the audience for this, but does anyone feel an obligation to prepare for the show’s subject.?
For some reason I can listen to Kevin Smith get high and talk about shit, but listening to these 3 get lit and free associate for 40 minutes . . .
I’m sorry, I guess this was supposed to be some kind of ironic performance piece.

uh…ok

The more serious they try to make Batman and Superman’s costumes, the sillier they look.

Nothing says “stuck in the past” to me like people hung up on wanting to bring back briefs. But then, I’ve also always been a “no cape” person even before The Incredibles.

Is it sad that today’s superhero fan can make exception for superpowers but can’t get past the red undies or a cape?

‘Realism’ is a fickle thing.

I think it’s still worth noting that Golden Age superheroes wore trunks over tights like acrobats or circus performers. Not wearing the trunks would be… very revealing for a man. I guess we’re now so far from Superman’s original cultural context that most people are incapable of seeing his old costume as anything but “underwear on the outside.”

For what it’s worth, I think Derenick’s turnaround here looks a lot better than the cover by Janin released previously. Maybe it’s just that he used a lot more ink for shading, so the overall impression isn’t such a blue onesie.

I agree with Tim. Whenever anyone tries to “fix” Superman, they tend to break him even more.

Superman, to me, is a cartoon character, and changing his costume so drastically is kind of like getting rid of Bugs Bunny’s ears. Bugs has had many designs over the years but nobody has ditched the ears.

Superman is an old-fashioned character – he’s the guy superheroes are named after! – so his costume should have an old-hat feel. And Kate it’s not about being “hung up” on it – the red trunks aren’t going to make me read the lousy Super-books either way. But the traditional costume had a very simple red-blue-yellow rhythm that worked well and endured for decades, and tinkering with it, uh, has *not* resulted in any kind of successful, enduring looks.

Could maybe Jim Lee not design the new costumes on any iconic characters? Seriously, they just look cheesy as hell.

I can believe a man can fly before I can believe a man in American society would wear the trunks. It’s not about science, it’s about what the trunks look like to an observer. Arguably, he could have one of those frilly Victorian collars, since what he wears apparently doesn’t matter, right?

“Arguably, he could have one of those frilly Victorian collars, since what he wears apparently doesn’t matter, right?”

It does matter. He’s an icon. What he wears is practically synonymous with who he is. More people wear Superman merchandise than have ever read a comic book.

If red underoos don’t look realistic, then don’t fucking draw him in a realistic style. Pretty simple.

Red boots
Red boots
Red boots

Kinda curious about how this is different from what they were already doing, which was selling Image comics on their Web site. Does this allow for the 12-issue pre-pay like a traditional magazine subscription?

“Practical”?

The fact of the matter is that paying for staff and rent and utilities and licenses and fees and everything else we do makes a major publisher pushing a deep discount as their thing kind of unpalatable.

-B

So very excited for Son of Satan Classic!!! I’m attempting (slowly) to get nice copies of all the single issues, but this collection will be awesome!

Also, Sensational She-Hulk by John Byrne! Classic! Love that run!

I wonder if they are being optimistic with the “Vol 1” designations for things like Hyperion and Nighthawk…

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I found the first issue to be good, lightweight reading, really, and a fun nostalgia trip. The problem being, $4 a pop is still pretty steep for lightweight fun, especially when I can buy comics with stories that resonate more deeply for the same price or less. But I’ll stick out the first three issues at least and see where this goes.

Doctor Octopus has already been resurrected in his old robot in Amazing Spider-Man so I feel like it’s PROBABLY him???

I’m thinking Doc makes his play, but it opens the gates. As for the Death of X, I’m gonna straight up say it is X-Men related – either the reveal of the Cyclops stuff, or a very nerd-baity “Death of the X-Men” event that will see the internet’s X-conspirists explode.

don’t know if marvel will go in this direction considering the “death no more” plot seems to be a spidey related story, but i think it would make for a interesting story if “death no more” pertained to frank castle’s family. what would frank do with the reality that his family is back . would he quit being the punisher to be with his family, would he continue his illegal activities of executing criminals without benefit of trial or conviction, or would he snap at seeing his family alive,completely lose his mind, slaughter them all over again, and go on his merry way. the possibilities are endless. who knows tho’, maybe it’ll be gwen stacey that’ll be “dead no more”. bring her back and turn her into the spider-gwen of the 616 universe. considering that marvel has said the parker will never, ever, ever get married again, it doesn’t matter if they resurrect his first and greatest love (hell, they got mary jane playing patty-cake with tony stark), so why not bring back gwen. i guess we’ll see soon enough.

Not Spider-related, but Wolverine must be coming due for a resurrection, soon. He’s been “dead” for abut a year-and-a-half, now.

Hmmm… well, that IS interesting. I wonder if Marvel will pull out of SDCC to a smaller presence again? I have to admit, as a company move it makes sense. Why compete with all the other content when they can beat everyone to the punch less than a week earlier (since SDCC starts on Wednesday).

And who from Marvel wants to fly out to one show, fly back for a couple days, and then fly back out for the next one? Or would the hotel fare be cheaper to have them stay there? It probably would be for that many days versus a cross country flight, but who wants to leave their families for two weeks for it?

Most of the rank and file at Marvel would likely just go to SDCC, but the higher level folks attending both would cause a budgetary nightmare for Ike Perlmutter….

I bet you don’t see much crossover between the show, that’s for sure. maybe just Axel Alonso and Joe Quesada…

1) This allows Disney to own the news cycle the week before CCI.

2) Disney can fly in talent ONCE, having them appear at D23 and CCI.

3) Disney will still have programming at CCI. They dropped the mic in Hall H last year with Star Wars. Disney only needs to do that ONCE to “win” Comic-Con each year.

4) Disney controls these events. Remember the cast announcements at the El Capitan? Anything Disney does, anywhere, will garner publicity. They don’t need CCI.

5) Marvel won’t give up space at CCI. That many people on the show floor equals lots of activations buzz, and publicity.

6) Expect Warner Brothers or another big media conglomerate to rent out nearby hotel space and stage a parallel mini-con. The corporation can control hours, programming, access… at probably a similar cost to renting a nearby warehouse.

7) Disney rakes in the revenue with D23. Almost all of it. It’s an extension of the theme park, with the gift shop INSIDE the attraction.

8) Hoo BOY! Will WonderCon 2018 be held in Los Angeles? Both WonderCon and D23 are held in the Anaheim Convention Center. Neither will be using the new space (which goes online in Fall 2017), not that either needs more space.

9) Hall D, where the theater was at D23 last year, seats 15,000 in a theater configuration. Compare to 6,130 at Hall H in San Diego.

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