A question and answer with Dori Butler about working with book packagers.
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I've been working on a fiction shared reader of fewer than 150 words. It has to be a journey, use a certain phonetic sound throughout, rhyme, and include the basic shapes. Whew! What a puzzle to work all that in. I turned in a draft yesterday (instead of an outline, because I couldn't figure out how to outline something like this and be sure I could actually write it without just doing the writing!) to the editor. Fingers crossed their client likes it! If not, I'll be circling back and starting over at the beginning of the process.
Poem Starter: Write a poem that includes circles in some way. Here's a rhyming list poem I did.
Things That Come Full Circle
Arms
Bracelets
Crowns on kings
Earth
Cats
Underdog swings
--Laura Purdie Salas, all rights reserved
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Help! I feel like a bunny in a lions den! I had an idea for a non-fiction book, not being a writer and knowing absolutely nothing about the publishing industry, I searched for books on similar subjects and contacted them with my idea and asking if they would like to collaborate. One of the authors who replied was a book packager who began working with me on the proposal. We both had the same ideas on what the book should be so I thought it would be a good fit . . . until they sent me the contract. It was a work for hire agreement - no way was I going to agree to it, this was my baby and I was the one doing the work, they weren't planning on helping me write - just the packaging and finding a publisher, yet here they wanted to pay me a small fee and keep the copywrite. I began to querry agents. In the meantime they agreed verbally to most of my terms but wanted to split any advance 70/30 - net, my cut being thirty and any future royalties 50/50 - net. They wouldn't budge on this stating that their expenses were going to be high and this was normal for first time authors. Mabe I'm being stubborn but since their expenses are taken out before the split why does their split have to be so high? To make me trust them less, when they sent the new contract they stated that the split for advance AND royalties at 70/30. They have since sent a corrected contract but I just feel as if they are trying to take advantage of my inexperience and there may be something else I am missing. In the meantime, one of the agents I had contacted asked me to send my full proposal. I should be hearing back from her in a few weeks. I don't know if I can put the book packagers off for that long but there are moments when I think I'd rather not do it at all than get ripped off!
Any advise???
There’s a lot here. In other words, there’s a lot for me to comment on and a lot of different issues to address. I’m going to try to take it step by step.
You started by saying you had a book idea but you aren’t a writer, so it sounds to me like you were looking for someone to write the book for you because you thought the idea was so revolutionary. That might be the case, but the truth is that an idea is nothing without the execution, at least in the book world. I have seen some of the most amazing ideas cross my desk in both fiction and nonfiction, but without the right execution it never made it to publication.
As for the book packager. This is a typical book packager agreement and why I urge all writers to do their research before putting things out there. Without knowing what the book is or what is being done to package the book, I can’t tell you for sure if what they’re doing is fair. It sounds to me like it is. A 70/30 split and 50/50 royalties is far more than most authors receive from packagers. Do you know what they’re doing for you? Is this a heavily illustrated book and are they supplying the illustrations? You claimed earlier you are not a writer and were looking for a writer, but now you say you are the one doing all the work. I’m a little confused by this. Are you actually writing the book or is someone else? Are they doing a lot of work preparing the package and editing or are you expected to do all of that yourself?
Here’s the deal. Here’s what a book packager typically does. If what you want is to keep the majority of the money and hold on to the rights, you need a literary agent. To find one, however, you need to be prepared to write the book proposal yourself (or pay someone to write it for you) and submit it to agents for consideration. If illustrations or art are required you will need to be the one to pay for and supply those.
As for what you should do? I can’t tell you that. I don’t have enough information for one thing, but I also don’t know if you’re getting ripped off. That depends on what the packager is doing to make this a project that can be sold.
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I have a book idea, a self-help feel-good book, with a line of products. I am not a writer, so I am not familiar with this industry. I have obtained much information from your site, I just found out about book packagers, but am still in need of a direction. I believe I need trademarks, etc. The line of products compliment the book, and visa versa. My vision is enormous. I was researching the team that put together The Secret, but Beyond Words Publishing only want to hear from agents. It's still just an idea, but I have this burning desire to try and bring all this to fruition. Do I contact a book packager with this idea? Do I need an agent? Do I need an investor? Any advise would be helpful.
If you are writing nonfiction it never hurts to think big-picture and imagine the products, calendars, and other merchandise that can go along with your book. In fact, that’s why an agent can be so important, by negotiating a contract that allows you to control all of those possibilities when the time comes. However, this is not the job of a packager and not necessarily the job of the publisher. Let me explain each role a little bit further and then explain how these products based on books come about.
Typically a packager is an idea generator. Usually they come up with their own ideas in-house and approach licensees to put their name on a project. The ASPCA, for example, has a guide to dogs. I would have to check the book, but I would bet that’s a packaged product. In other words, someone approached the ASPCA about their idea, hired the writers, photographers, and designers, and sold what was essentially a finished product to the publisher. This contract probably did not include things like calendars or pads of paper since that’s something the ASPCA might want to pursue on their own.
In some cases packagers will approach a company to do a small line of products that are sold in bookstores. They might approach a blog like (I’m making this up, folks) BookEnds, for example, and ask us to put our name on a mini-writing kit or the copyeditors cards. Again, they would do most of the work, while we would supply them with the known name.
What you are looking for, however, is a literary agent. Rarely, very, very rarely—in fact, I could probably say almost never—does a book sell alongside all of the merchandise ideas. The Secret, The Worst-Case Scenario Survival Handbook, or even Chicken Soup for the Soul, whether packaged or agented, were only dreamed up as books first. Once they took off and had the successes they did, merchandise followed. No one would have ever bought the calendars, games, or other merchandise for any of these titles had they not been bestsellers first.
So my advice to you is to start slowly and build big. Your first task is to write an amazing book proposal, find an agent and a publisher, and sell the heck out of it. Once you’ve made that book a major national or international success, you can easily move on to products and the other merchandise ideas you have.
Jessica

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Today is officially the first anniversary of the excelsior file. I like that the word giver is embedded in the word blogiversary. A lot has happened in the last year. It isn't like me to toot my own horn but I'm feeling like maybe this once I need to get over the awkwardness of the whole thing and just do it. A year ago today I jumped into the kidlit blogosphere with the idea of using this

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Officially I won't be back up and running with regular blog posts until Monday. I should have decompressed and acclimatized enough by then to talk about books again. But one can't take a trip abroad and not come back and make a few comments. First, IcelandAir: Worst. Airline. Ever. No matter how many times their "convenient" mid-way layovers in Reykjavik come up as the cheapest way

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And a proper one at that. Call it a belated honeymoon (when did we get married?), a little adult time, or a celebration of someone taking (and passing we trust!) the Bar Exam, my sweetie and I are headed off on a major two-city tour of Europe. Which means that I'll be dark here until sometime around August 12th. I'm hoping to just chill for a couple weeks and come back refreshed and ready to

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Very interesting. Based on a very low sampling of words scanned from my blog I apparently warrant a PG rating. Here's the deal: This rating was determined based on the presence of the following words: steal (3x)pain (2x)dangerous (1x) I wonder how the rest of the kidlit blogosphere checks out. Click on the rating and check yourself out.

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Roger said so. I'm speechless. No, actually, I'm not. I'm going to go make a tiara out of a pipe cleaners, pop beads and macaroni and wear it during my tenure as Blogger Laureate. For all of 30 seconds. I now name Fuse #8 Blogger Laureate.

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Welcome to all and sundry who may have tripped over here via Seven Impossible Things Before Breakfast or, as we like to say in our culture of abbreviation, 7Imp.
When I agreed to the interview I thought "well, it'll be small and quick and a fast read" because, honestly, it's not like I'm M.T. Anderson or Grace Lin or someone like that. I didn't realize I had so much of myself... out there, for all to see. It feels like way. too. much.
The interview is there, the blog is here. Thanks for stopping by. Now, back to the business at hand.

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I don't generally traffic in kidlit news as I find others out there do it much better and more frequently, but this story from The Walrus hit my radar while checking out information on Grimm tales. The Grimm reference is almost tangential, the story is about the disappearance of childhood and the audience for books to go with. In particular I chortled at this particular quote:
If picture books are on the wane, Young Adult fiction is thriving. “You should write YA,” a publisher told me. “That’s where the money is.”What kind of money are we talking about, exactly?
Actually, there's a nice little breakdown on how the children's book market has changed under the weight of big bookstores (perhaps nothing new, but good to remember) and I'm always a sucker for an article that references Neil Postman's work. I am, admittedly, a product of his Soft Revolution.
I think it's worth pointing out that, just from this post (letter? email?) it's clear that the person asking the questions may not be up to a standard that could get an agent's attention.
True, this is non-fiction, so I don't know much about it, but just in this short correspondence, there are errors that indicate a possibly larger problem in a full-length manuscript.
Lack of apostrophe, homophone mix-ups, spelling errors -- none of these put forth a professional face. And if the packager who's helped you on the proposal has corrected those issues, then the agent who made the request may be in for a shock when they read your own words.
And if the proposal you submitted to those agents is the one you say the packager helped you with, then you shouldn't be sending it out in the first place. You're using someone else's work to your sole benefit.
Oh, dear writer or idea-haver or whatever you are, wait till you get to the actual publisher. Mine only gives me 9% of the cover price of my books-- 9%! And I'm the one who writes the damn things.
I think the letter-writer might consider saying no to the packager and the agent, stepping back and taking some time to (1) learn more about the publishing industry and (2) create the raw product, i.e. the text and/or illustrations for book--however that gets done.
It just seems like you've put the cart before the horse. The book doesn't exist yet, but you're already engaging with the professionals? Doesn't that seem premature?
There are predators who will take advantage of you, and even reputable publishing houses will hand you a tragically unfair contract if they can get away with it (which is why literary agents can be such valuable allies.) If you're not sure, back out and don't sign anything.
Maybe take a year to prepare your materials? This dream will still be waiting for you when you finish.
Josin hit the nail on the head, querier. It sounds like you would be better served finding an agent rather than going with a book packager, but you need to take some time to learn about the industry and work on your craft. You've got quite a few spelling and grammatical errors right now, and that's likely to make an agent say "pass" before they've even finished reading your query. Take some time and polish your skills, and then write a new query and begin again. (Unless the agent that has your full likes it, I guess. Then you've lucked out.)