Query letter: art or science?
So a writer friend who is about to submit to agents asked me to check out her query letter for her today. While I was looking at the query letter, my dad called and asked me what I was up to. "I'm helping a friend with a query letter," I told him.
"Why does she need help?" he wanted to know.
"It's harder than it sounds, Dad."
"I don't know. I think I could write one."
"You're an engineer, Dad," I said sadly. "Real writers struggle with this."
"Well," said my dad, who is a practitioner of the religion of Spreadsheet, "I think all you have to do is put the most important stuff at the beginning."
"Huhn." Huhn.
"I'm not sure I ever told you," he went on, "but back when I was in college, they made all us engineers take a writing class."
"Why?"
"I don't know. I guess they didn't want us to not get jobs because we couldn't communicate enough to fill out the job application."
"Fair enough."
"Well, in this writing class, they taught us that you have to always be able to chop off the end of whatever you've written, and still have it stand on its own. If you're writing a newspaper article, you never know if they're going to decide to shorten a column after you've written it. If you're writing an essay or a business proposal or a letter, you never know when someone's going to lose interest or stop reading, so you need to say all the important things in the beginning."
"Huhn." Huhn.
I really, really didn't want him to be right or knowledgeable about this, but I couldn't in good faith argue with him.
"So," he concluded, "that's what I do if I were writing a query letter for a book. I'd just start with what was most important right off the bat, and then go to the second most important stuff, etc."
"Well, Dad, maybe you should write a book so you can write a query letter for it."
"No, I don't think so. I think the rules for writing a book are different."
So what do you think, agents? Would you take an engineer-style query letter?
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So as everyone clearly already knows, on Monday night, Dadrat truckled up to New York (took the day off to do it, too) to sit all afternoon in the Union Square Barnes & Noble so we would have seats for the Brandon Sanderson/Gathering Storm event.
For those who aren't tired of my personal story, I read Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time--well, the first 7 books, all that had been published at that point--for the first time when I was 12. My dad had brought them home and was probably a little peeved when he starting having to compete with me over custody of a given book at a given time, but he never let on (it would only get worse when my brother and sister would also become obsessed). When Robert Jordan died tragically in 2007 without completing the 12th and final book in the series, my poor father went into occlusion. Hope and order was restored to the world (partially, at least) when it was announced that Brandon Sanderson would be completing the series with the aid of Harriet McDougal, Jordan's widow and amanuensis--not to mention editor--hence the rather feverish anticipation with which he sat at BNN warming second-row front-n-center seats for three and a half hours before the event started.
Rather than having Harriet read very much--too many spoilers--Brandon talked mostly about how he came to be the one to finish the series. There was bound to be scepticism toward anyone taking up the project, but Brandon definitely won us over--he might actually be a bigger WoT geek than my dad. For a man who's really had a major break in his career with this, Brandon's beginnings were modest and inspiring. He wrote 13 books before he got his first book published.
("You should blog about that," Dadrat said. "Your people will want to know that.")
Just in case anyone was waiting for a report.
Oh, ps, whoever the genius people in the Tor marketing department are thought of creating and giving out bumper sticker. Mine says "I killed Asmodean," but I could have gotten one that said "Bela is a darkfriend" instead. It makes me want to go out and learn to drive so I can buy a car to put the bumper sticker on.
YT: Are you going to watch MAMMA MIA with us?
Dadrat: I don't think so.
YT: But you are an ABBA fan, right?
DR: No.
YT: No?!
DR: No.
YT: Whyever not?
DR: Ugh, the problem with ABBA is...it's like bubblegum. I don't like sugary pop.
YT: ABBA? Bubblegum?! Have you ever heard ABBA?
DR: Like what you and your sister were singing all morning?
YT: Exactly!! It's the edgiest pop music that ever played on the radio! My theory is that ABBA is able to say things so honest in their lyrics only because they are not native English speakers. "I apologize/if it makes you feel bad/seeing me so tense/no self-confidence"? Can you even imagine an American saying that?
DR: You're telling me that's not bubblegum?
YT: You know what? I just think you're uncomfortable because everyone thinks you look like Bjorn.
[Eight hours later. Mother is singing "I Have a Dream" in the kitchen, sister is singing "Lay All Your Love on Me" in the living room, and I'm singing "Mamma Mia" in between.]
DR: I remembered what the problem with ABBA songs is.
YT: Oh yeah?
DR: It's not that they're bubblegum. It's that after you hear them, you can't get them out of your head for the rest of your life.
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Today, we welcome Dadrat for our Celebrate Reading Month Guest Blogger.
About the Guest Blogger: Dadrat is a rennaissance man who can smoke a buffalo, steam a rug, fix your electrical miswiring, memorize 10-digit numbers, ferment Kool-Aid to get brain-numbing psuedo Vodka, dance the Troika clockwise AND counterclockwise, change his own car's oil, stew a chicken in chickpeas and curry powder, and reprogram over the phone your home wireless certification and access codes from three states away while ordering a coffee at a Barnes & Noble Starbucks. He cannot, however, speak French, knit a sweater, or survive a week without a flavored latte from Starbucks. At least, not to the best of my knowledge.
A book that influenced my life.
Growing up with two school teachers as parents, I had no choice but to read from a young age. It was really not difficult, since we had so many books around the home and I enjoyed reading. We had all the great books, classics, mysteries, Norwegian Folk Tales, children classics including the Arabian Nights, King Arthur, Hardy Boy, Nancy Drew, & Tom Swift. We even had about 10 Oz books. But mostly we had science fiction, and that is what I read.
My parents were members of the Science Fiction book club starting around 1952. By the early 1960’s we sure had a lot of science fiction books. I think more than our local library. And believe it or not, I had read most of them by the time I was in the 6th grade. Many of them several times. I tend to read books I like multiple times. What does that say about me? We had all the classic authors of the genre; Robert A. Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Arthur C. Clark, L., Ursula K. Le Guin, Andre Norton, Robert Silverberg, E. E. “Doc” Smith, Jack Vance, Jules Verne, H. G. Wells, and Roger Zelazny.
I think that these books gave me the wonder of space, and science. It was a time when medicine, science and engineering could solve all the world’s problems. We were racing to the moon. Nuclear Power was going to provide unlimited power for almost no cost. We were hearing about new discoveries everyday. It was before the Vietnam War, before hippies, and the Beatles had just arrived in America. The country was optimistic. We were going to the moon, and I was going to become a pilot and go to Mars.
However, all this being said, the book that changed everything had nothing to do with any of the above. I had to do a book report for school. My 6th grade teacher, Mrs. Carruth, would not let me report on any book that I had read, or for that matter was interested in reading. My last many book reports were all science fiction books, and it was time to read something else. She had a list of “proper” books that were allowed for my book report. No science fiction, no stories of Oz, not a Tarzan story of Edgar Rice Burroughs. No stories of grand adventure in space. Not even a book by the great Isaac Asimov was acceptable.
So I went over to the book shelf, and looked over her collection of books. She had a very respectable number, but I had already read most of them. The rest looked boring. Well, except for one. It was about the Civil War, but what self respecting 6th grader wanted to read about history. Well I didn’t. She offered to let me select a book from the library, assuming that it was an acceptable book. She still didn’t like that I was reading so much science fiction. I needed to broaden my horizons. What was wrong with science fiction anyway!?
Well, this was getting to be too much work. So I took the novel about the Civil War, thinking that I would read quickly and then I could get on to more important reads.
Well, the book was very interesting, and about a part of our history I knew very little about. It was about a Kansas farm boy named Jeff, who decides to join the army after their family is bushwhacked. He wanted to hold the Union together and clean up the border trouble in Kansas. And so the grand adventure starts.
The book had everything. There was conflict, determination, kindness, hardship, loss, happiness, even love.
Almost the entire story takes place in the Indian country of Oklahoma. Both the Union and Rebel armies could not seem to hold on to anything. So many people had their homes and shops burned, their live stock and grain taken for food, and their belongings plundered, by both sides.
And the soldiers were always hungry and tired. Nobody came out of the war better off than where they had started, unless the war was somewhere else.
First Jeff is in the infantry. Then he moves to the cavalry since they needed to be more mobile. And finally he becomes a scout. Please note that a scout is just another word for spy. And when you are scouting, you are out of uniform, with no identification or information that would let anybody know you belong to a specific side.
But the book had a twist. Part way through the story, Jeff is captured by the Rebels during one of his scouting missions. The armies were shooting captured scouts, so thinking fast, Jeff claimed that he wanted to join the rebels. Sort of like, better Red than Dead, but I guess it is better gray than dead. Well they signed him up.
Now he was on the other side. He lived beside them, ate with them, fought with them, all the time trying to figure out how he could get back to his own troop. Over time, he slowly realized that he liked these men and their easy going attitudes, and he learned that they had grievances as great as his own. Who was right in this war?
Well the story ends with a discovery, meeting Lucy again, and a chase, and … Who is Lucy? Well you have to read the book to find out.
The book is “Rifles for Watie” by Harold Keith. Some of the language is dated, but it is very well written, the story is great, and the history is accurate. The author even interviewed twenty-two Civil War veterans living in Oklahoma and Arkansas for the background material, or so it says on the back cover.
As for me, after reading this book, I had to buy it, and read it again. I almost stopped reading science fiction for a couple of years, and started reading about history. I read about the Civil War, the Indian Wars, and the Revolutionary War. I read about all the great generals, Napoleon, Caesar, Alexander, and Saladin. I read about the great civilizations, the Romans, Greeks, Persians, and Egyptians. And I read about the great explorers, Magellan, Francis Drake, and the Vikings.
I read history, and I read historical fiction.
Well until I discovered the “Lord or the Rings” by J. R. R. Tolkien, but that is another story.
The trouble with moving is that Momrat has accumulated all kinds of crap. She's a compulsive tagsaler. Also a, well, a packrat.
"She won't let me get rid of your old crib," Dadrat tells me woefully. "Of course, it's actually probably illegal to sell or give the crib away, anyway, because it's not up to those new crib standards."
"What crib standards?" I ask.
"Oh, you know," he tells me. " 'Crib slats must be narrower than such-and-such a distance, or your baby will get its head stuck between the slats.' You know, that kind of thing. Of course, you had such a fat head that that was never a problem with you."
"Thanks, Dad."
"What's that typing noise? Are you blogging about this?"
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I spent Thursday and Friday at the NYS Reading Association Conference in Saratoga Springs. Here's a roundup of the highlights...
1. The Authors Progressive Banquet was fun and stress-free. I didn't even spill anything. I was a little concerned about how the logistics would work, because the authors start the evening at one table and then rotate, switching tables for each course. Turns out you got NEW silverware every time you moved and didn't have to take it with you. That worked out well, though I think I might have been drinking from another author's water glass at one point. It's hard to say...
2. I found out about four minutes ahead of time that all the authors would be giving a brief, two-minute talk to the ENTIRE group in the ballroom during that banquet, which caused me to panic momentarily, but not for long because there just wasn't that long to worry about it. I think I said something coherent.
3. I was on a quilt!
NYSRA had authors sign quilt squares and put them together into three gorgeous quilts for a raffle. Wasn't that a great idea?
4. I got to meet Eric Luper (eluper) and hear his presentation about his YA novel Big Slick and his journey from reluctant reader to novelist.
High school teachers, take note: Eric is smart and engaging and funny, and I predict that pretty soon he'll be booked solid for school visits because he's going to connect with teen boys in a big way. Plus, he has wicked-cool poker chip key chains as giveaways. What more could you want?
5. I spent some time chatting with Susan Goodman, who writes children's non-fiction and has a funny book about elections called See How They Run coming out this May. My students are going to love this one!
6. I met Mitali Perkins and got to tell her in person how much I liked Rickshaw Girl.
7. I heard Anita Silvey talk about current trends in children's publishing. She said fantasy and science fiction are still strong, historical fiction is on the rise, publishers are looking for "no-blush" MG and Tween books that families can enjoy together, and this is the age of the graphic novel. Shaun Tan's The Arrival is now on my must-read list.
8. I gave a presentation called "Historical Fiction as a Bridge to Content Area Literacy" and got to share bunches and bunches of my favorite HF titles. We talked about dozens of titles from different time periods -- some well known and some that flew under the radar. I shared excerpts from Spitfire, Sarah Miller's Miss Spitfire, and Elizabeth Bunce's A Curse Dark as Gold (March, 2008), which is a shining example of how historical fantasy can be used to introduce students to a time period (in this case, the Industrial Revolution).
9. Not exactly conference-related, but still a highlight... I had perhaps the best chocolate chip cookie of my life at Four Seasons Natural Foods in downtown Saratoga. It was really, really crunchy....a sweet ending to a fantastic two days of talk about reading, writing, and why we love stories so much.
I think there's something to that. In fact, that's why I put a logline of my book in the first sentence ... then go into my pitch after that.
I'm not an agent, I'm an editor, but I'd be happy to get a query letter that understood at least that much. Dadrat might not have expressed it artfully, but he's on to something significant.
But then, I'm in a b-to-b publisher. So your mileage may vary.
It sounds like good advice. I've learned the same thing about scientific writing, too. And it can be applied by section as well as to a whole document.
It does raise the question, though: what IS the most important part? I think that's why queries are so hard (and intimidating) to write - I don't know which bit is Important Thing One, and which is next, and so on. I suspect that because agents are (apparently) so subjective, the ordering would change every time. Which is annoying.
What a great post! I think your dad's onto something there. Not bad advice, indeed :)
After critiquing query letters for a while on the QueryTracker forum, I'm convinced that most writers (myself included) have a hard time figuring out at first what is important to say versus what doesn't need to be said at all.
We have a vision of our own book, and we gauge importance based on that understanding whereas an agent is basing "important" on the saleability of the work.
If you asked me to tell you about my son, I could tell you many of the important things about him such as his intelligence, his wit and his social struggles. If I were talking to a doctor,though, the doctor's understanding of "important information" would be his height, weight and other indicators of health.
The difficulty in writing a query letter then is figuring out what is the "most important" stuff in order to put it at the front.
Philangelus - I think you nailed the problem exactly. It is so difficult to know what is important.
I've been trying to focus on distilling the conflict in my WIP - and it has been a tremendous help. Perhaps combining the Dadrat concept with the most compelling conflicts of the story might be a starting point.
Hmmm. Much to mull over.
There could be something there. Something to consider, at the very least.
Must think about it while writing my own query letter.
I'm an agent intern. I agree with Dadrat 100%
The most important thing in a query letter is the stuff about your book. Start with the title, the genre, and the word count.
Then go into the summary/pitch.
After that, say a few things about you as a writer like awards or schooling.
There's nothing more frustrating than reading an entire query only to find out at the end that it's in a genre my agent doesn't rep. This could also be solved by following submission guidelines but that's a whole other frustration.
Even worse, some authors send queries all about themselves and their hobbies (not even writing ones) and never mention their book at all.
There will be plenty of time to get to know you as an author/person after an agent signs you, so don't include things like "i'm a mom to three boys, ages 5, 7, and 9. I also like to whittle in my free time."
It's all about the book.
Valuable advice. Thanks for sharing. I'll have to take a second look at my query letters and see where I'm putting the most important information.
Dadrat is describing what journalists call the "inverted pyramid." I never really thought about it, but as a recovering journalist, I still write precisely this way when I work on submission cover sheets with my agent.
We start with a few lines describing the story, then a few lines about why the market is hot for this sort of story, then a line or two explaining that readers fond of blah-blah author would like this book, and finally, a few lines about the author (that's me).
I never really considered it, but that's definitely an inverted pyramid. Old habits die hard, I guess.
Great post, Moonrat!
Tawna
That's an engineer for you: total pragmatism. (I worked at an engineering firm for 6 years, and Dadrat could have been any one of them talking about a project or proposal.)
My problem is that I always try to decide what is important To The Recipient. I think that's a bass-ackward approach, after reading Dadrat's comments, and I hadn't really considered that this is my tendency. Especially considering I KNOW the query is about what's in the book, not about the author OR the recipient.
Queries are harder than writing a book. And I suspect Dadrat is right.
At any rate, deciding what is most important IS most important.
I wrote my first MS, gleeful and enamored, and started putzing the internet for what to do next. Query letters, that's next. Then I started reading about query letters and stumbled across some nonsense about how you should never submit your first draft of your first novel ever ever EVER. Oh, and you should show, not tell. And some stuff about passive voice and how you shouldn't use it extensively.
I started working on the query and the rest began to make sense.
Queries are hard. BUT. If it is impossible to distill your MS down to two to three paragraphs, your story might not be tight enough. Or your writing. Or both.
Dadrat is pretty darn smart :)
My degree is in chemistry...wonder if I could distill my query down to a formula... I'll have to think about that.
:)
Nice Post.
Your dad is a smart fellow. I want to follow you. How do I follow you?
As a former newspaper reporter, I agree with Dadrat that the inverted pyramid is the way to go with query letters (sounds like Cassandra agrees). Great post!
I'd say a very nice Dadrat. Not only is he wanting to help you but your friends too.
I agree with Dadrat and Philangelus.
Put the important stuff first, but the trick is to figure out what's important.
Query Shark says the same thing. Get the hook of your book out there in the first paragraph. Otherwise an agent may already be bored, by the time they find the hook. If they're still reading...
I think the engineer approach is sound. In the military, we call it BLUF, or Bottom Line Up Front.
But as Philangelus points out, the BLUF changes depending on market and audience. Figuring that out is the real trick.
Dadrat reminds me I once taught English to first year engineers.
Wish I'd had him in my class.
I love engineers. They are efficient.
Your father obviously paid attention in his writing class. As an ex-journalist with a degree in journalism he was giving you the rules for writing a news story and he was absolutely right on target on the structure of a news story. Your dad must have gotten an A in the class and I'm impressed he remembers it so well.
Sounds like great advice to me!
Like most great advice, the devil is in the details.
He's right you know. Just the facts ma'am and in order of importance...
:>)
Great advice from Dadrat. Papa McCloud was also an engineer and a very good writer too!
What is it about men that can make everything so simple? It's yet more proof that my dad was right.. "It's all logic. If you don't get it, well...you aren't logical."
*sigh*
the ordering would change every time. Which is annoying.
Work From Home
I'd love it if the engineers I work with could spell. I doubt any of them have taken any sort of writing class. But I'm one of those weird engineers who writes children's fiction.
We do tend to take the analytical approach.
Wow. That advice sounds like it could have followed my dad's favorite line: "I may not be an educated man, but any idiot can see..."
He's right an irritating number of times.
yeah,yeah,yeah......having just watched a great Beatles/musical "Across the Universe"....a must see for Beatles lovers.....
Once again, your father is right! Damn! Truth to tell, I have been applying this advice to my meager writing responsibilities ever since he first told me this, some 30 years ago.
Thanks, Dadrat.
Your loving Valentine, Momrat