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It's a grey, quiet Saturday here. Everyone's off doing stuff: it's just me and the dogs.
On Thursday, Sharon and Bill Stiteler came over and we checked the hives and started to feed them. We have six hives right now - two Italians (doing brilliantly in comparison with everyone else after a late start and a lousy year - we even had a super full of honey), two Carniolans (doing okay) and two Russian hives (one may or may not survive even a mild winter, one has a solid chance). We came back to the house.
Sharon Stiteler started making noises. Normally when Sharon makes noises, it means that something exciting has been spotted, and it's generally to do with birds.
It was.
A merlin had taken a red-bellied woodpecker from one of my birdfeeders, and was eating it in front of the house.
Yesterday I decided to get some beeswax from the buckets of slumgullion in the garage. It took three tries to figure out how to do it correctly, but I now have a pie-dish filled with clean, perfect, butter-yellow beeswax, smelling faintly of honey, and know how to get it right for next time.
No idea what to do with the wax, mind. But at least it won't get thrown out.
Today I'm proofreading. The Little Gold Book Of Ghastly Stuff for Borderlands Press comes out very soon, and they emailed me over the pdfs last night. It's a really sweet little collection, almost entirely from the last decade: two poems, four stories (including, for the first time anywhere, my first ever published short story, "Featherquest", published in 1984, cut by half when it was published and never reprinted. Do not get excited: it isn't very good), two oddments, four articles, a couple of speeches, a few book reviews and suchlike. I signed the 500 limitation pages last week. Then Borderlands discovered that too many people had ordered the signed edition and asked me if they could overrun the print-run and do some unsigned, un-numbered copies, and I said yes.
There's only ever going to be one printing of this, so if you want a copy head over to http://www.borderlandspress.com/littlegold.html and order one. It costs more to mail it internationally than the book costs (four times if you want to internationally Fedex it).
I do not enjoy proofreading.
And I need to go back to it.
Before I do, here is a Bill Stiteler film of me shaking bees off a frame of honey or three on Thursday:
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My friend Bill Stiteler is over at my house today. His wife, Birdchick Sharon Stiteler, is off at a Birding Thing in Atlanta.
Bill just blogged the exciting birding events of this afternoon on Sharon's blog. I'm in the photos in a VERY long scarf, which I wore because it's minus something Farenheit outside and it actually helps a bit.
I am simply going to link to what Bill said and to the photographs therein.
Frankly, I'd be surprised if he doesn't get a Pulitzer for this one.
So. Home. Fell asleep at about 5.00 am, woke up about 11:30 am, so not back on US time yet.
Today I did some bee-things with Bill Stiteler (we put in a queen excluder today prior to splitting the Olga hive next week) then we planted a bag of overlooked hyacinths we found in the garage, and watched some Dr Who with Maddy (we're now up to Planet of the OOD). Also I walked the dog.
I've just been informed that due to a transfer credit-hour technicality I can't graduate with my college class & must get ONE CREDIT in summer school and walk next year if at all.
Neil, could you tell me anything to cheer me up? An anecdote, a song excerpt, news ("Jill Thompson and I are going to do that Delirium Miniseries we've been talking about for a while!"), anything?
Songs? Let's see -- I wrote a song for Peri Lyons' one woman show that you can hear a demo of at her myspace page. It's a 3.00am-in-a-bar song for a generation that's much more likely to be found in front of computer screens than in bars at 3.00 am.
Over at Lurid.com, Craig Russell talks more about the adaptation he's doing of Sandman: The Dream Hunters, and you can see more of the art, along with the adaptation he's been working on for the last couple of years of Coraline. (You may or may not be able to see the embedded footage.)
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Today felt like a ghost day. It was warm enough that there was something that might have been a fine rain and might have been mist, and it hung over the snow, and it made the world unreal.
I wandered out with a camera and a dog to try and shoot the mist-world, and mostly I failed, because the camera was too good at compensating for the mistiness
Below is the barn. It was falling down when we moved here in August 1992. It's even older than the house -- probably about 150 years old. After fifteen years it's really falling down -- it's dangerous, and I'm probably going to have to bite the bullet and get it taken down this year. Sigh.
And Princess the cat has moved into a tree. She's up the tree right now.
I'd go out with a ladder and rescue her, except that she keeps coming down to eat and zooming back up her tree again. I'll leave finding her in the photo below as a task for the sharp-eyed. And yes, I know I need to do an update on all the cats, and I shall...
Hi Neil,
I live in the sunny UK, and am very much looking forward to EasterCon this year - my first convention, so approaching it with a mixture of trepidation and anticipation!
Any chance that you might be persuaded to fit in a preview reading of The Graveyard Book....? Not sure I can wait more than six months for a hint of it!! Perhaps it could clash with one of the bondage sessions, I wasn't intending to go to them! :-)
Cheers,
Sarah
I'm definitely doing a reading at Eastercon (and will be doing stuff every day of Eastercon, for those people who wanted to know what day I'd be there) although from checking the schedule, it looks like it's a Wolves in the Walls reading (following the Make Your Own Pig Puppet program item). The current version of the schedule is at http://www.orbital2008.org/programme.html. On Sunday afternoon I've got a 90 minute Guest of Honour spot to fill, and will probably do a reading as part of that, and really, I want to find out what some bits of The Graveyard Book sound like when you read them out loud. So I think it's extremely likely.
That's terrific. The castaway is West End Star Michael Ball (who I saw in Sondheim's Passion). (I wish that Desert Island Discs was something you could hear on demand.)
Interesting reading the comments over at Boing Boing (two recent threads here and here) -- my favourite was the one from the person who was convinced that, because there was a busy Barnes and Noble near him, reading for pleasure had never been more popular.
Russian care workers have rescued a seven-year-old “bird-boy” who can communicate only by “chirping” after his mother raised him in a virtual aviary, it has been reported.
Authorities say the neglected child was found living in a tiny two-room apartment surrounded by cages containing dozens of birds, bird feed and droppings.
Rochom was found wandering naked in the Cambodian jungle in 2007 The so-called “bird-boy” does not understand any human language and communicates instead by chirping and flapping his arms.
We’ve had a lot of discussions on the blog about the use of pseudonyms. Why you would choose to use one, when you would choose to use one, and how best to use it. A question came in recently regarding pseudonyms that we haven’t discussed before. . . .
Now can anyone tell me what's the situation on gender hopping with a pseudonym? For example, plain old Alfred Churchgate (former plant auto worker), who has written a historical romance set in 16th century Rome and wishes to market his book as Cassandra Castiglione. Let's face it . . . it actually would sell more copies, wouldn't it? What are the practical objections to gender hopping with pen names?
One would assume that yes, a romance novel written under a woman’s name would sell more copies or more easily find new readers than if it were published under a man's name. I also suspect military fiction or a military thriller would have better luck under a man’s name. And honestly, I can’t think of any downsides to gender hopping when it comes to your pseudonym. At some point or another it’s very likely your readers will discover that your real name is Alfred, but is that a problem if you’ve already garnered an audience of devoted fans?
Let me throw this to my readers, though, because I’m curious. Would you be disappointed if you found out that Cassandra Castiglione was really Alfred Churchgate? And would you romance readers be less likely to pick up a book if it were written by a man? What about military fiction readers? Would you be less likely to pick up a tough-guy military, Tom Clancy-style book if it were written by Candy Cane?
Jessica
25 Comments on Gender-Hopping Pseudonyms, last added: 3/13/2008
I actually think it's interesting when an author is a surprise. I remember reading Brett Lott's "Jewel," specifically the part where the main character is describing first realizing she is pregnant. I remember being amazed -- even skeptical -- that a man had written it. I kept thinking, how did he know?!
Amanda McIntyre said, on 2/29/2008 10:35:00 AM
I have to say that I look less at the name on a cover than I did even a few years ago. Being visual, the cover snatches my attention first. I read then the back cover blurb, deciding from there whether to buy. Few exceptions, unless I hear that everyone dislikes a book, then I'm likely to read it and see why.
There are so many authors, and even the seasoned authors who have written in a particular romance genre for a long time are-- due to various demands-- changing genres, or blending genres in their romance writing. Some keep their names, and others choose a pen name. As more blending of genres occur, the line of gender writing is becoming less and less distinct,IMO.
Like someone said-a good book is a good book, after all. If I'm going to spend hours at a B& N, likely I'm looking for a good story. Now I will admit, that if I read a story marketed as 'romance'(sub-genre/elements or gender-hopping names notwithstanding) and it turns out without the HEA,(historical romance fiction based on real life- exempt) I might be a bit miffed. No, make that, I throw it against the wall.
Which I suppose is another topic, for another time-has the requirement for the HEA Happily ever after) changed in the romance genre?
Amanda McIntyre
Anonymous said, on 2/29/2008 10:37:00 AM
Anon 10:18 thanks for that laugh!
In the YA market it actually does matter. Female authors that write "boy books" often use their initials and last name as opposed to putting a feminine name on a book cover.
Karen MacInerney said, on 2/29/2008 11:16:00 AM
It would certainly give a special little fillip to signings and public appearances.
Not to mention the author photo at the end of the book...
Angie Fox said, on 2/29/2008 11:26:00 AM
Based only on the people I've met and spoken with, men seem to have more trouble with it than women. I've met men who won't read books written by women, no matter what genre. A few of them seem proud of this, which is interesting, seeing as that bullheadedness isn't usually considered an accomplishment.
And I could see some women shying away from romances written by men. It's less familiar. Still, I think you could miss out on a lot of good books with either attitude.
Chumplet said, on 2/29/2008 12:14:00 PM
I suppose if the author was really worried about public image, he or she could simply use initials until the book is well established, then show up at the readings.
After all, Norah Roberts did just fine as J.D. Robb.
p.s. my husband said he'd go straight for the back cover to see what Candy Cane looks like.
Mark Terry said, on 2/29/2008 1:25:00 PM
I have been surprised--and shocked, I guess--at the number of times on listservs that I have heard--typically women--say, "I won't read a book written by a man." Or, "I won't read a book with a female main character if it's written by a man because men can't do it."
I haven't heard men say this, though I don't doubt it's true. So there probably are good reasons to put the gender-bending pseudonym on it, although it seems to me that the initials are a dead give-away.
J.K. Rowling J.A. Jance J.A. Konrath J.A. Kerley (this one is new; Jack's early books have his name on them, but he notes that his British publisher is requesting the J.A.. Sure are a lot of J.A.'s there, which brings me to).
P.J. Parrish P.J. Tracy P.J. O'Rourke
To which I can only plead: if you're going to go this route, please, please avoid the initials PJ or JA.
Hmmm. J.K. Terry. Got a nice ring to it.
Anonymous said, on 2/29/2008 1:27:00 PM
hey he/she could always show up at booksignings in drag!
Linnea said, on 2/29/2008 1:34:00 PM
It doesn't make any difference to me. When I'm reading something new the gender of the author doesn't really register with me until I come across a scene or piece of dialogue that makes me think, sounds like a woman/man wrote this book. Then I check the name of the author to see if I'm right. Pseudonyms really throw a monkey wrench into the works but it's all fun.
Sally MacKenzie said, on 2/29/2008 2:59:00 PM
This reminds me of a story a friend who was a romance editor a long time ago told me. She had a male writer who wrote under a female pen name. He/she was invited to do an interview, but didn't want to reveal his identity--or maybe the publisher didn't want him, too,I don't remember--so my friend, the editor, had to pretend to be him. As I say, this was a long time ago--maybe the early 80s.
I don't know any gender hopping authors personally, but one of my friends who writes under a pen name mentioned one interesting pitfall of pen names in general. At first when people at conferences or large book signings would call her by her "first" name, she wouldn't respond--she didn't realize they were talking to her. So the next friend who took a pen name, keep her first name the same, to avoid that confusion.
If I ever gender hop, I think I'll stick to initials. Signing a man's name would be a little too schizoid (sp?) for me.
A.L.Debran said, on 2/29/2008 3:55:00 PM
To pen name or not to pen name--I debated with that question on the eve of my first book hitting the e-shelves. My real name doesn't slip trippingly from the tongue, so I took the initials route with a combination of my first and middle names. It wasn't to conceal my gender, especially since my picture is on my website.
The gender of an author is immaterial to me when I read a book. I'll give any author a try.
A.L.Debran
Stephanie said, on 2/29/2008 3:57:00 PM
When I think of amazing romance novels, I think of Nicholas sparks, so no, I wouldn't be opposed to a man's name being on a romance!
Anne-Marie said, on 2/29/2008 4:56:00 PM
It wouldn't matter to me at all, but I do remember an interview with P.D. James where she said she went with the initials because she didn't think Patricia James would be taken seriously as a mystery writer when she started. I believe JK Rowling echoed the same sentiments.
Julie Weathers said, on 2/29/2008 5:16:00 PM
I think some people have misunderstood what I meant by a man who understands women. I don't mean someone who can discuss fashion with me. I mean a man who can read women and knows what buttons to push to get the reaction he desires. The man who knows the hot spots. The man who can immediately sense or within a short time sense, what will drive a woman insane.
I once had a discussion with one of the three guys such as this I bounce ideas off. We were discussing a scene and I was floored by the emotional and even erotic aspects he tossed out. I think he probably understands what makes women tick better than women do. I told him he ought to be writing romance. He responded he has, he just really doesn't enjoy them. He'd rather practice than write about it.
When you find a talented, in more than one way, man like that who reads women and can go into a romantic scene with an understanding of what is going on with both partners, I would think that is magic.
I wish I understood men as well as these guys understand women. I would switch from fantasty with romantic undertones to romance with fantasy notes.
Christine said, on 2/29/2008 5:29:00 PM
I don't know if I'd be disapointed or not, but I know that the book signing would be a bit akward...
Elissa M said, on 2/29/2008 6:10:00 PM
Many years ago, my brother was horrified to learn Andre Norton was a woman. When she started writing, people believed no one would buy science fiction by a woman. Well, despite the revelation, my brother kept buying her books. The funny thing was, I'd been reading the books after him (I was maybe ten or eleven) and I assumed "Andre" was a female name because it seemed clear to me the author was female. In any case, an author's gender means nothing to me. I just want to read a good book.
crapshooter said, on 2/29/2008 7:40:00 PM
It makes a huge difference. I've yet to see a thriller/action novel I like written by a woman.
Anonymous said, on 2/29/2008 8:13:00 PM
My first point I'd like to bring up is it isn't necessary to utilize initials. There are also countless uni-sex names from which to choose, which again puts the reader into an "oops, my bad" scenario, and does offer more freedom to choose. Another option would be to make up a name. When I say my first and middle initial for instance, I hear an inventive opportunity in its sound, and have considered it as a possible flip.
If we are going to be expressive as writers, we might as well keep up the good name...maybe one that is so unique it will cause the reader to remember!
Anonymous said, on 2/29/2008 11:36:00 PM
zzCrapshooter, can you say without a trace of doubt the "male" writers you prefer are in fact male?
Years ago, there was an author by the name of VC Andrews. The majority of her audience was female. And there was no surprise to find out this initial-toting writer was female.
The interesting twist to this story is—no one knew she was DEAD.
After she passed away (1986), her family hired a ghostwriter to keep both her memory and her unique stories alive. (No unkindness intended, but I imagine the royalties didn’t hurt the cause either.) There were more VC Andrews books written after she died, than were written by her while alive. I’m not certain at what point it was announced she had passed away and a ghostwriter existed, but it was a solid stretch at any rate.
If our glorious industry can make millions of people believe someone is alive, rest assured they can make at least a hundred believe a woman is a man—or vice versa—and you might just be one of those hundred.
In addition, a man carried her legendary “female author” career forward through time. Kudos to her for bringing such fame to a name, and to him for having the capacity as a writer to keep her alive in the hearts of her fans.
Rob said, on 3/1/2008 12:12:00 PM
As a guy, I don't have any trouble reading books by women, no matter what the genre. And if the techno/spy-thriller is strictly man territory, someone forgot to tell Gayle Lynds that before she took over the reins from Robert Ludlum and then started writing her own best-selling thrillers.
Sandra Parshall said, on 3/1/2008 6:28:00 PM
I couldn't care less about a writer's gender if I enjoy the book, but I always wonder about the practical aspects of assuming not only a different name but a different gender. How would Alfred promote his romance novel? Attend the RWA conference in a dress? Hire a beautiful, romantic-looking young actress to do signings for him? What if his book became a runaway success and everybody wanted interviews with "Cassandra"? What if that beautiful young actress decided she wanted to actually *be* Cassandra and old Alfred was in her way? Good plot for a mystery -- but I think somebody's already written that story.
Akasha Savage said, on 3/2/2008 7:24:00 AM
Mmmm...interesting. I think names are important and do help sell a book. The gender wouldn't put me off: I would read romantic fiction penned by a man, or military fiction by a women. However, I do think the name itself is a trigger in the selling process. I am a female and write horror/fantasy. I have chosen the name Akasha Savage as my pen-name, I feel that my real name, Debi Sands, doesn't lend itself comfortably to that genre.
Julie Weathers said, on 3/2/2008 8:24:00 AM
I would only assume a pen name if I decided to write a memoir and the chances of that happening are zilch.
I could care less about names on a cover unless they are so contrived it makes me wonder if the writing is so bad the author needed a gimmick.
The movie Don't Tell Her It's Me features a romance author with a poetic name. The no-nonsense reporter is positive the name is made up, but it really is her name.
I want people focusing on my writing, not wondering how long it took me to come up with the name I.C. Fingers for my zombie romantic mysteries.
Travis Erwin said, on 3/2/2008 3:23:00 PM
As a man who has tried to find a home for several women's fiction novels I know more about this subject that I ever thought I would.
I will say querying with only initials as oppsoed to my full masculine name, raised my "Interested-send me more rate" from about thirty percent to just over fifty.
Maya said, on 3/7/2008 8:02:00 PM
I'm sorry Travis...
But I can't help it, but I don't want to read romances or women's fiction written by a man. I don't feel that women are portrayed correctly by men, and sometimes I've even noticed books that felt off...I didn't bother to research them, but I suspected the use of a pseudonym. I've even been put off by some mainstream novels where women characters are written with far too much machismo.
So yeah, stick to the pseudonym and hope your readers can't tell!
“Write what you know.” In my fifteen years of publishing experience, I must have heard that phrase millions of times. I can’t imagine how many times you authors have heard it. But what does it really mean? Does that mean that all mystery writers must have stumbled on a dead body and all romance writers have experienced happily ever after? Nope, not at all. It also doesn’t mean that fantasy writers have relationships with vampires, shape shifters, or demons. What it does mean is that you need to have experience with at least some aspects of your book. You need to know and understand your characters; in other words, often the characteristics of a character aren’t too far outside the author’s own experiences or personality (at least in some ways), and often we find that authors set books in their hometowns or home states (Tom Perrotta). Some authors give their characters a profession that matches their own (think Kathy Reichs), while others focus on writing nonfiction—memoirs, or self-help books that they have the platform to defend.
There is one aspect of writing what you know that seems to be frequently ignored, and interestingly enough this is probably the single most important piece of knowledge that every writer should have. And that’s genre. Whether you are writing memoir, literary fiction, romance, SF, or whatever, you need to know, understand, and like the genre to truly be successful. As an agent of commercial fiction I am very lucky that people like to regularly diminish what I do and the books I represent. I suspect anyone who’s not writing literary fiction understands what I’m talking about, and I suspect that even those writing literary fiction have experienced this a few times.
I regularly receive submissions from authors who tell me sheepishly that in a different time in life they were reading such-and-such genre and thought that they could easily write that genre, so here’s the book. And years ago I was attending a small writing conference where it seemed every attendee was working on their memoir. It wasn’t long before I developed one easy question to establish whether or not I felt that memoir might be worth considering, and that was whether the author read memoirs. Do you know that not one single writer was reading or had read memoirs? Sure, some had read one or two, haven’t we all? But no one was reading them to learn what a memoir really was.
Does this mean that because you have spent the last ten years reading historical romances you can only write historical romance? Not at all. I think it’s important for all authors to stretch their creativity and explore new genres and new directions. We wouldn’t be seeing some of the exciting things we’re seeing in publishing these days, like the merging of genres, if it weren’t for authors expanding what they know and taking it in new directions, but I do think all of these authors are students of the genres they are writing in. In other words, they read the genre. Maybe you thought you were writing a fantasy only to discover it reads more like a romance. If you haven’t been reading romance, you need to do that. You need to understand what the genre offers and, most important, what the agents, editors, and readers expect. That doesn’t mean you need to copy another’s work, and it certainly doesn’t mean any of these genres are formulaic, but readers gravitate toward a genre for a reason, and as a writer it’s your job to figure out why and what you will offer them that stretches that.
Jessica
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I write romance but, not surprisingly, my husband does not. As I was kicking around ideas for a particular plot one day, my husband broke in. "I know!" he said. "You can make this romance really different! Have them *not* get together at the end. Or, even better, have one of them die. No one will predict that!" Needless to say I thanked him for his suggestions, and then proceeded to completely ignore them. He's welcome to write his own book in which such things happen, but it won't be a romance. Which is just fine with both of us.
Karen Duvall said, on 2/18/2008 11:51:00 AM
When you write in genres where violence can and does happen, it's difficult to give a first hand account of how it feels to be shot or beat up or blown up if it never happened to you. But I think realism is key and getting that visceral response from readers brings it home. Which is why I interview victims of violence, but those aren't always easy to find, and those you do find may not be willing to discuss their experience with a stranger. So I bought this great little book from Paladin Press called "Lead Poisoning: 25 True Stories from the Wrong End of a Gun" by Chris Pfouts. Wow. It's fabulous for getting that nitty gritty edge into your characters' experience. The book is out of print and hard to find now, but you may find a copy on eBay. But I'll never give up mine. It's priceless. 8^)
Linnea said, on 2/18/2008 12:08:00 PM
Interesting post. I guess I'm a rebel and although I've heard 'write what you know' for years it simply doesn't work for me. I love to read murder/mysteries but couldn't write one if my life depended on it. I write historical fiction and so I don't write what I know, I write what I learn. I have an insatiable taste for historical nonfiction and that feeds my desire to create.
J. M. Sabel said, on 2/18/2008 12:26:00 PM
Great post, Jessica,
I think in many ways it's like being an actor. You bring a part of yourself to the character you're playing. You do research to create a believable character.
As a writer I bring a part of myself to each of my characters. The emotion in my books come from my experiences, the same way an actor's does when playing a role.
I create a believable story in the much same way. I do research to understand the period in which I'm writing and how my characters would act. Although a great deal of that research includes the time in which the characters lived, some of that research includes having read other books in the genre in which I write. It keeps me fresh and inspired.
But my creativity comes from dreams. Dreams I'm sure are influenced by what I have read and movies I've seen. But also being open to the universe. It's imperative that I am. I'm a historical, paranormal fantasy writer.
Diana said, on 2/18/2008 12:48:00 PM
Thanks for this topic! When I took my first stab at my first manuscript, I tried to force it to be "literary." It was boring and ugly. I looked at those first 50 pages and thought, "I wouldn't read this. I hate this type of book! Why should I expect anyone else to read it?"
I reworked it into a romantic comedy and I'm MUCH happier with it.
Chumplet said, on 2/18/2008 1:09:00 PM
I read and enjoy multiple genres. When I started writing a couple of years ago, I started with romance but who knows where I'll end up?
My life experience is varied, too. There's so much to draw from, the possibilities are endless.
This post reminds me of the line actors say during interviews: "Thanks for the Oscar, but what I really want to do is direct."
Anonymous said, on 2/18/2008 1:44:00 PM
This post is spot-on. What so many writers fail to realize, however, is that anything you want to know, you can: RESEARCH.
A great place that is overlooked for research purposes are court rooms. Most are open to the public. If you have time to sit through a few days of a crminal trial, do it. It's fascinating. Even better, from my point of view, is misdemeanor court and drug court. It's a great way to people watch and get ideas for your characters....
Anonymous said, on 2/18/2008 1:53:00 PM
Research is key. I'm a surgeon in my other life which has given me ample opportunity to see blood, guts, violence, etc. There are plenty of mysteries and thrillers that are positively cringe-worthy precisely because the descriptions of violence to a body or its aftermath are incorrect. This doesn't mean you need to hang out in the ER, but for God's sake, don't take your medical cues from "House" or "Gray's Anatomy."
J. M. Sabel said, on 2/18/2008 2:17:00 PM
xyI agree with the post made by the surgeon. I have a masters degree in nursing. I cringe when I watch some of those medical shows. Do your own research, if you want to make your story believable.
J. M. Sabel said, on 2/18/2008 2:22:00 PM
I don't know how the xy got into my post. Maybe it's a paranormal thing. LOL!
Mark Terry said, on 2/18/2008 2:36:00 PM
Crack me up! My wife and I both used to work at a major metropolitan hospital and we both love "House" but it's got as much to do with real medicine as Star Trek has to do with NASA.
I just love patient rooms with glass walls! And physicians doing lab tests! Or any insurance-scared hospital keeping someone like Dr. House on staff!
Anonymous said, on 2/18/2008 3:00:00 PM
And yet, patients ask if it's real...
Ana said, on 2/18/2008 3:34:00 PM
I'd be interested in a list of "the masters" for each genre. I'm always worried that I've missed someone extraordinary.
Anonymous said, on 2/18/2008 3:49:00 PM
When it comes to mystery/suspense, I love some of the early ones, to see where the genre's been: Dashell Hammet, Raymond Chandler and John D MacDonald. And I've got a soft spot for George Higgins, mostly for his dialogue. Speaking of (pardon the pun), the two others I like for using dialogue to show/don't tell a story are John O'hara and Ring Lardner.
Diana Castilleja said, on 2/18/2008 4:08:00 PM
It was kind of funny. I wrote, and submitted, and didn't know until it was accepted that I wrote Romantic Suspense. I've since learned how to break the genre nuances down for my voice, and I love writing what inspires me... which means almost everything! LOL
Anonymous said, on 2/18/2008 4:59:00 PM
I recall the phrase in an article that caught my eye one long ago day: “Pathology is a truth seeking business.” The most prolific statement I had read in years. Mind racing, shy but determined to contact him, my voice quavered as I left my name and contact information; I was equally exhilarated and terrified. Not only did he prove to be the most intelligent, kind, and soft-spoken man I have ever met, he was also—as luck would have it—as fascinated by my writing career as I was of his medical career. When he opened his personal library to me, to a storage of medical study that I would not otherwise have had access to, I knew I was entering into an amazing new world. If I respected him on my way in, I viewed him as a god on my way home.
One particular book (from which the mass of my research was acquired) had me crying for weeks. (A newborn with multiple stab wounds was by far the hardest.) But I learned; oh, did I learn. Not only did I absorb the information presented, but also found another mandatory aspect: resolve. The mindset required to confront, to shut down the part of one’s psyche that could not bear to look deeper, in order to see beyond the horror, and find clues…the “truths” he had spoken of. I would study a photo for hours then close the book to make notes. When I had gone as far as I could, I would read on to find out whether I was accurate. This research taught me well beyond images and education; it put me in the heart of my characters. All of them.
When the book was finished, he graciously read every page to ensure I had not failed. (I’m proud to say he found no errors!) His wisdom, his kindness, and efforts…As a writer, I shall remain eternally indebted to this great man and the work to which he has devoted his life and heart.
To those who are both (doctor) and writer, yours will be the books I seek first from the shelves.
…with the exception of my favorite: Dean Koontz, whose amazing talent and personality could not be hidden in pseudonym. Right down to his book dedications, he shines. May he live forever.
Angie Fox said, on 2/18/2008 6:18:00 PM
LOL Diana. I know the feeling. I haven't been brave enough to attempt literary fiction, but I did try to write an overly serious book or two before I cut to the chase and let myself have fun with a light paranormal romance.
Chessie said, on 2/18/2008 6:50:00 PM
Write what I know is an interesting crux for me. I write Romances that are far flung dark space adventures.
I found early on, I have to "know" my alien planets and cultures in a very real and detailed way before I can plot action in those settings.
In a way it is like historical research, but I have to dig the information out of my imagination, but I can't just make it up.
If I've got a creature that looks like a mix between a llama and a draft horse with long hair, it has to have evolved in an environment where every feature of the animal is a genetic advantage. So the microclimes and the animals that inhabit them have to be meticulous drawing on my own biology experience, and my cultural anthropology experience for the planetary cultures. Everything has to make logical sense to me, or I don't believe it.
I can't pawn anything off as, "Well they're just alien."
It's tough, but it is a lot of fun.
AmyB said, on 2/18/2008 6:53:00 PM
Love this advice. I once wrote a story that really spoke to my heart, and I wasn't sure why, because on the surface it didn't seem to have much to do with me personally. When I finished the first draft and settled down to revise, I figured it out. The story was a rewriting, in metaphorical form, of a life-altering event from my own personal experience. And I didn't even realize it while I was writing.
Karen Duvall, thanks for the rec. I ordered a copy of that book.
Linda said, on 2/18/2008 7:37:00 PM
I ran across a woman who was trying to get her romance published and not having any luck. While I'm not a romance reader, when she described the book, my first thought was that it sounded outdated. When I asked her further, it turned out that she had been having trouble getting published in another genre and figured romance would be a no-brainer. The last time she'd read a romance was in the 1980's. She had no idea how much it had changed since then.
It pays to read the latest releases.
Kelly said, on 2/18/2008 8:09:00 PM
Right on! This is great advice.
I'd been working on a self-help psychology book proposal for some time, getting stuck on the comp titles section. I had to keep trekking to the bookstore and checking Amazon.com to figure out what the comp titles were. I didn't own any of them and I wasn't reading those types of books. I'd even buy some to read for comparison, but had little enthusiasm for them.
Then, I had a breakthrough moment -- I decided to scratch the proposed traditional self-help book format and go with a different mind-body format. Lo and behold, I had every comp title on my bookshelves, well-read and much-loved. I'm sure this was the right decision.
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You made me laugh out loud. My husband gives me the same kind of helpful advice and "surprise ending" ideas! :)
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It’s been a quiet week for me here at BookEnds, and by that I mean I’m not running around like a chicken with my head cut off staring at 150 fresh emails and 8 new voice mails. No, I actually feel on top of things this week. I’ve gotten to all of my clients proposals, they’ve gotten their feedback and are busy at work. I’ve gone through my handy little notebook and made notes on where all my clients are with their projects and followed up with editors and clients where necessary. I’ve reviewed and negotiated contracts, I’ve touched base with a number of editors I haven’t talked to in a while, and I even read some queries and proposals.
And I hate it. I hate peace and quiet and I hate having time to do things. I suppose some would say that makes me a type A personality. I have no idea what personality type I am, but I do know that I thrive on at least a little bit of chaos. I like to have things hanging over my head. I like to feel needed and wanted and I like to be running around like a chicken with at least half my head severed (sorry).
When I have downtime, though, it makes me think. It makes me think that right now, at this very moment, I’m looking for something. I want something fresh and new to add to my client list, something that will keep me up all night reading and make me pop open the computer at 3 a.m. to let the author know I need to talk to her asap. Obviously that something has to be different, it has to be well-written. and it has to grab me by the throat. But beyond that. what else am I looking for? What do I want to add to my 2008 client list? Here’s a rundown in no particular order. . . .
Thrillers: I really want a good thriller. I want a tough but soft character. Someone I want to be or be around. I’ve been reading Karin Slaughter and Barry Eisler. I really love Barry Eisler. I would love to see something that hasn’t been done before. One of the things I love about Barry Eisler is his ability to make a seemingly unsympathetic character sympathetic, but of course I love more traditional forensic or criminal investigation-type books as well. I like the darkness of a thriller, and of course I love that thrillers are thrilling. If comparing books to TV, I love The Closer, Criminal Minds, and Cold Case. I especially love Cold Case. Brilliant!
Romantic Suspense: I’ve always been a huge fan of romantic suspense, so it’s surprising I have so few on my list. I think part of it is that I’m incredibly picky; I don’t think it’s an easy genre to write. I do want to add more romantic suspense to my list, though. I want the huge sexy men and I love the women-in-jeopardy stories. There are few things more exciting to me than stalkers and serial killers, but I also like the team approach, the man and woman who can work together to save the day, and keep me at the edge of my seat while doing it. And I refer above to some of my favorite TV shows, which are also great romantic suspense ideas—especially Criminal Minds. Just plain creepy.
Contemporary Romance: Lately I’ve been reading a good deal more contemporary romance and I’ve been surprised (I don’t know why) by how difficult it is to find these days. With the glut of paranormals, it seems that this is the latest genre to be neglected. The trick with contemporary romance is that it still has to have some sort of hook to make it stand out. I’m on the hunt, though. I believe it’s not going to be long before editors are begging me for a good contemporary romance, and I plan to be ready.
Historical Romance: I like big, lofty, sexy historicals. Of course I like any historical. I’ve been doing well with my historical romances lately, or I suppose I should say my authors are doing well, and I’m enjoying reading them, so I’m always looking for something new. As you might know, Elizabeth Hoyt was one of my new favorites of last season, but I also discovered Samantha James and loved her. I like historicals with an interesting hook, and I tend to think a high level of sensuality plays well in the historical market, so I like that too.
Commercial Women’s Fiction: I tend not to be a reader of much “literary fiction.” I like more commercial stories, books that I’ve heard a lot of writers refer to as mainstream. Often there’s a romance involved, but not always. I love stories of friendship and I love stories of a woman overcoming hardship. I’m always a fan of the abused woman who is able to escape, the abandoned woman who is able to discover that she can, in fact, survive on her own, and I love stories about the mother-daughter relationship. I love TV shows like Brothers and Sisters and Army Wives, and these are the types of stories I would like translated into women’s fiction (not literally, of course).
Nonfiction: It’s been a while since I’ve taken on a new nonfiction author, and I think it’s time for something fresh. Of course the author is going to need to have a platform, both personally and with the subject she is writing about. I’m most interested these days in career, health, parenting, and current events titles. But wow me. I’d love to see some truly funny humor (we just sold a hilarious pop culture humor book), some brilliant business book, or a self-help book that really stands out.
And of course don’t forget that I’m always looking for mysteries, erotic romances, paranormal romances, and fantasy romances. The only reason I didn’t go into detail on any of these particular subjects is that I’m seeing a lot of them cross my desk. A day doesn’t go by that I don’t get at least ten paranormal or fantasy queries and three cozy mysteries. The problem is that none of them have stood out. The vampires all sound the same and every cozy protagonist works in academia. I definitely want to see more of these genres, but you’ve got to push yourselves in these flooded markets to stand out. To really show me what you’re doing that hasn’t yet been thought of and to write it in such a way that your writing takes my breath away from the first sentence.
So there you go, a public admission that I am looking for new clients. A little scary on my part, maybe, but that’s what happens when your clients are all busy writing away.
Jessica
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We did a post last year defining different sub-genres, and not surprisingly I got a lot of flack. Interestingly enough, the questions keep coming.
The first is what qualifies a book to be a thriller or suspense versus a traditional mystery, and what differentiates a thriller from suspense? I consulted Jacky and Kim on this and here’s what we came up with . . .
I think that in the most basic sense a suspense story is one in which a reader is waiting for something to happen. In my mind, the most obvious suspense is done as romantic suspense. In this case we’re always waiting for that threat to finally come to fruition. We know someone is after our heroine and we’re just frightened that she will in fact be next. Often we even have a sense of who the killer might be (we may see or hear his voice) and we have an idea of what exactly is happening.
A thriller is a mystery with fear. There’s usually no fear in mysteries. Mysteries are about the reveal of clues and the methodical solving of the crime. Thrillers include the clues and solving the crime, but also the fear that it’s starting to hit close to home. That someone else will be next. A thriller is usually more about the fear of not solving the crime fast enough. The threat that if you don’t find out who, worse things will happen. A mystery is simpler than that. It’s really about the hunt and deduction.
The other question I received was about the difference between erotic romance and hot romances. Unfortunately, this is even tougher to answer since it differs from publisher to publisher. What one might publish as an erotic romance another would merely consider a highly sensual romance. And of course rules will and have changed on this.
In general, though, it’s not about the amount of sex or when the sex happens, at least not in my mind. I think it’s more about the type of sex and/or its placement and importance to a story. Usually hot romance focuses primarily on the hero and heroine, whereas erotic romance might also include other characters or toys. Of course that’s not always the case either.
Maybe someone else can help me out here. Erotic romance tends to have more sex in it, more dreams, self-pleasure, that sort of thing. In hot romance the sex is usually not as much or as frequent, but it's just as steamy and sexy.
If you have a better definition of any of these I’d love to hear it. I’ve never been good at defining things. I usually say I just know. Which is of no help to you.
Jessica
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STATUS: My hand is tired but the holiday cards are done!
What’s playing on the iPod right now? SANTA CLAUS IS COMING TO TOWN by Chris Isaak
Two years ago I didn’t even represent anything in the world of Children’s publishing. Now it’s what I’m starting to be known for.
I should have realized this. I love high school movies with a passion (as my husband can attest). I would say that half my DVD collection is high school movies so why it didn’t occur to me that repping young adult and middle grade would be a natural fit is a mystery. I’m just glad that Ally Carter and Jennifer O’Connell insisted on writing for that market and forced me to get savvy. Now I love it.
So genres for the 8 new clients (and funny enough, quite the leaning toward children’s!). If they’ve sold already, I used their name.
Brooke Taylor—young adult Sarah Rees Brennan—young adult fantasy Jamie Ford—literary fiction Helen Stringer—middle grade fantasy Client 5—young adult Client 6—young adult fantasy Client 7—young adult Client 8—women’s fiction
And you guys know what I want more of, don’t you? Adult science fiction and fantasy. I’d love to take on more romance. I’d love to take on more literary fiction like Jamie.
I don’t suggest querying now (because we close on the 19th) but come Jan. 2nd, bring it on!
TGIF! I’m out.
17 Comments on Accidental Children’s Agent, last added: 12/18/2007
*keeps polishing manuscript and fretting over her query letter*
Liz said, on 12/14/2007 4:47:00 PM
Thank you! It's fascinating to see what genres you took on this year. My book is literary fiction, so come January 2nd… ☺
Kaleb - http://www.kalebnation.com/ said, on 12/14/2007 4:55:00 PM
great lineup! can't wait to see them.
Loquacious Me said, on 12/14/2007 5:17:00 PM
*frantically tries to learn how to write a decent query letter*
Carradee said, on 12/14/2007 6:43:00 PM
My thoughts upon reading this post were similar to the first—anonymous—comment.
Though I also feel distinct stress that I need to get this draft of my adult fantasy done.
[Mutters about the pain of having a concise writing style so drafts always have to be expanded and gets back to work]
hkneale said, on 12/14/2007 10:51:00 PM
Gimmie a few months to polish this novel and I can send a fantasy romance your way.
Ryan Field said, on 12/15/2007 12:34:00 PM
It's a nice feeling when you finally begin to see a pattern happening.
Jennifer L. Griffith said, on 12/15/2007 2:24:00 PM
You're quite busy. Funny how life can take a turn in an unpredictable direction. Keeps life interesting.
mmegaera said, on 12/15/2007 4:05:00 PM
I've got a historical novel with fantasy elements and a nice little romance. And a query letter...
Eileen said, on 12/15/2007 11:19:00 PM
Have a great holiday season and enjoy the well deserved break. I look forward to reading more of your client's work as I've loved them all so far.
Anonymous said, on 12/16/2007 9:13:00 PM
Great, thanks for wanting to see more literary fiction like Jamie.
I'll query on the set date!
Anonymous said, on 12/17/2007 6:31:00 AM
Heehee, Kristen, guess what you're getting at the end of January? *More young adult fantasy!!!!* Aren't you excited?
But no worries, you have a month to recover from all these new clients. Congratulations to all of them, by the way.
:) Gabrielle
crzy said, on 12/17/2007 8:19:00 AM
Right. Come next year, 1 adult sci-fi coming right up :D
Vicki said, on 12/17/2007 8:29:00 AM
I hope you have a wonderful holiday break, enjoying what you like best. :)
Anonymous said, on 12/17/2007 3:20:00 PM
Does anybody know what genre are the Harry Potter books belong to?
Thanks for the answer.
Anonymous said, on 12/17/2007 8:48:00 PM
Never mind, I found the the answer. They belong in children fantasy.
Anonymous said, on 12/18/2007 11:26:00 AM
Your comment about wanting "adult SF and fantasy" is being widely quoted out of context. Some writers are interpreting "adult" rather differently than I think you meant it. You may soon be seeing a deluge of very steamy queries.
At Barnes & Noble I see that holiday offerings are already on display - and in the grocery store, holiday paperbacks on the kiosk near customer service. Does Bookends have an opinion on "holiday lit" as a genre, or wanna-be-genre?
Ah, yes, it’s that most wonderful time of the year and holiday books abound. I actually have my own personal collection of holiday books—titles that get packed away each season with the Christmas lights and come out to sit on the coffee table when the tree goes up. Books like 'Twas the Night Before Christmas, The Book of Christmas Questions, and My Treasury of Christmas Stories. And of course I would be remiss if I didn’t mention The Book of Thanksgiving, one of the books Jacky and I wrote in our packaging days. I don’t, however, usually look for holiday-centered novels, especially since I don’t have much time until after Christmas to actually sit down and read.
But do I have an opinion on holiday books, or I guess, more specifically, holiday novels? Well, surprise, surprise. I do. I think holiday lit (as you call it) is a great marketing opportunity for an already established author. You often get special holiday placement at bookstores, where you’ll be picked up by your regular readers and also by those looking for the perfect gift for Mom, Dad, or Grandma. For those who have not yet been published, or who are early on in your career, I will often recommend against writing a book that’s too targeted to a certain time of year. Holiday lit is great in November and December, when everyone seems to be in the spirit and can’t get enough mistletoe, nog, and good cheer, but the rest of the year most of us, including bookstores, want to avoid something that so obviously screams Christmas. Which means that often you won’t find those books (unless they are written by very-well-established authors) on the shelves at all.
I don’t think it’s a wanna-be genre. In fact, I never thought of it as a genre. Instead I think it’s a way for publishers and authors, like everyone else, to jump on the holiday bandwagon and find new opportunities to market and sell books.
But what about the readers? Do you find yourself buying books because they are holiday books or do you simply buy them because they are another book by an author you love?
Jessica
22 Comments on Holiday Books, last added: 12/12/2007
I usually don't reach for a holiday book unless its one of my fav authors. Even then...not all the time. Usually they are too gushy. I like a book that takes me deeper into a story and has the power to take me into their world. Holiday books are usually too short and sweet. However, I do know people who like them and I've bought them as gifts if one of the authors was a fav of someone on my list.
Kimber An said, on 12/6/2007 5:41:00 AM
Funny, but that's what I assumed. That's rare!
I've got a Christmas story in me, but it's waiting for those reasons. :o) Although, I hope it doesn't have to wait too long or the people who inspired and, hopefully, will enjoy it the most might grow old and pass away before it breaks into print! Maybe I better write it up and give them a copy now. ;)
Christie Craig said, on 12/6/2007 5:51:00 AM
Hmm...
I have picked up a Christmas story because I wanted to read something "in the season." But that only happened a couple of times. Most years, like everyone else, I'm too busy with other holiday events, to spend much time reading.
Which reminds me. Happy Holidays everyone.
Christie Craig
Josephine Damian said, on 12/6/2007 5:54:00 AM
I wouldn't buy a holiday book even if it was written by my favorite authors. Buying automatically based on name isn't something I do, it's all about content for me.
Anonymous said, on 12/6/2007 7:10:00 AM
Just a recommendation--This Year It Will Be Different by Maeve Binchy is a great collection of non-Christmas-y Christmas stories, eatable in a fast short gulp, that I read pretty much every December. Fun reads, and yes, I've given it as a gift. But I love Maeve Binchy anyway.
Kate Douglas said, on 12/6/2007 7:22:00 AM
I rarely buy holiday-themed stories (though I've obviously written them for publishers who wanted them) as I see them merely as a marketing tool. Even stories by my favorite authors that are set around the holidays are rarely as good as their regular stuff. The few I've bought and read generally have come across as something thrown together to meet publisher/holiday criteria, not a true "story of the heart" from an author.
Karen Duvall said, on 12/6/2007 8:31:00 AM
As a rule, I don't buy holiday themed books. However, I did buy one by Janet Evanovich once because I love her so much. And I've bought Christmas story anthologies for my Mom for Christmas.
As kind of a segue on this, regarding short story collections, holiday or not, I've been known to buy anthologies if one of the authors is a favorite of mine. This gives me a chance to sample other authors I haven't read yet, and I've found new favorites this way. I also love it when a story features a favorite series character. 8^) Rachel Caine is famous for posting short stories about her Weather Warden series character Joanne Baldwin on her website. It's great to get a Weather Warden fix between books.
spyscribbler said, on 12/6/2007 8:33:00 AM
If a big name that I haven't read yet writes a holiday story, I have been known to pick it up.
DH, on the other hand, will buy anything with red and green on the cover. For him, it's a genre. He'll read romance, mystery, whatever ... as long as it's Christmas-themed.
Jeannie Ruesch said, on 12/6/2007 9:21:00 AM
I'm not usually a holiday story reader. It would have to be an author who is an automatic buy for me to pick it up. My To Be Read stack is long enough of things I really want to read, the holiday story has to really catch my eye.
Heather B. Moore said, on 12/6/2007 9:44:00 AM
I don't necessarily buy them for myself, but I will buy them for gifts. If I'm spending money anyway during the holidays, I'd rather put it towards the book industry and support authors. Plus you can spend $15-25 on a book (relatively cheap gift), but it's always considered nice and thoughtful.
Wanda B. Ontheshelves said, on 12/6/2007 12:33:00 PM
Fascinating, useful comments, alas I am working now and can't post anything for a day or so! Thanks for addressing this.
loralee said, on 12/6/2007 1:28:00 PM
I bought two non-holiday books as a holiday treat for myself. One is Christie Craig's Divorced, Desperate and Delicious. The other is Rhett Butler's People by Donald McCaig. As a gift to a friend, I bought a non-fiction, One Ranger, A Memoir, by H. Joaquin Jackson and David M. Wilkinson.
I buy what appeals to me, no matter what the season. Usually there are enough Christmas stories on TV to satify my holiday spirit.
Happy Holidays to everyone....
Angie Fox said, on 12/6/2007 2:18:00 PM
Funny you should ask – I just bought two Christmas books on way out of the mall today. It was a mental health necessity. I’d taken my two small children for holiday photos, and it was coming down to book therapy or about a pound of chocolate truffles.
I bought On Strike for Christmas, about a group of women who get tired of working like crazy on holiday preparations that their husbands don't notice or appreciate. And then I bought The Morgue the Merrier, an anthology of Christmas tales set in a haunted morgue-turned-hotel.
But I’m a sucker for holiday books. Last week, I read Mrs. Jeffries and the Silent Knight, which is a continuation of a cozy mystery series that has about a dozen books out right now. I’d never read the series, but I thought it would be a fun way to see what it was about. And then A Catered Christmas, which is another fun cozy.
I belong to a few Yahoo readers loops and a lot of people are posting great recommendations. Based on those, I’ve ordered The Shepherd, The Angel and Walter the Miracle Christmas Dog, as well as Shirley, Goodness and Mercy (about three angels on earth for the holiday season).
Then I’ll probably read one of my favorite Christmas books of all time – The Body in the Transept, which doesn’t sound at all jolly, but it is the first in a wonderful cozy series and it just happens to be set in a little town in England during the holiday season.
Lee Harris’s book, The Christmas Night Murder is also an excellent, quick, holiday stress busting read. And then MaryJanice Davidson’s fourth Betsy Taylor book, Undead and Unreturnable, is set at Christmas time. All good reads and a great way to beat stress. At least until that next trip to the mall.
Brit Blaise said, on 12/6/2007 3:34:00 PM
I've bought and wrapped Rhett Butler's People by Donald McCaig for myself. And I'll get A Lick of Frost if Santa doesn't get it for me. I have a story out right now with the Holidays threaded throughout, but I didn't dwell on that fact while marketing, nor did my publisher mention it.
Diana said, on 12/6/2007 3:53:00 PM
I was stunned by how many big-name authors put out holiday books this year. I work at a public library, and we had an entire cart of them. I broke down and read Heather Graham's Last Noel (which I liked) and Suzanne Brockmann's All Through the Night, which is the next book in her Troubleshooter's series (and enjoyed it).
Cindy Procter-King said, on 12/6/2007 5:11:00 PM
I'm not a holiday book buyer. I buy books around the holidays, but not because they're holiday-themed. I rarely read a book right after I buy it, unless it's a friend's release. I like to let them sit in the TBR pile for awhile, so whether it's holiday-themed or not makes no difference.
Michele Dunaway said, on 12/6/2007 6:35:00 PM
I actually have a holiday book out this year, and it's one of my funnier, lighter Harlequin Americans. The editors asked for a Christmas story for a December release). The Christmas Date is a fun tale of love and romance between the girl next door who's home and hearth and the boy who jetsets and doesn't want to slow down. Throw in some matchmakers from hell who actually try to break the couple up, and you have one of my favorites.
Michele The Christmas Date, Harlequin American Romance, 12/07
Kate Douglas said, on 12/6/2007 6:56:00 PM
LOL...okay, Michele! You may have just managed to put a large chink in my holiday cynicism! I'll have to get this one when I get to town.
Merry Jelinek said, on 12/6/2007 10:09:00 PM
Holiday books that I buy, and I have bought a few here and there, are generally ones that catch my eye... Of course, I have at least a dozen for the kids that we pull out every december and they constitute their nightly reading for most of the month... they're already so hyped up on Christmas coming that they seem more interested in holiday stories because it adds to their fun - and it's a sneaky way to keep them interested in reading when they're overexcited about their surroundings...
I've gotten a few for myself as gifts that I liked, a few years ago it was Skipping Christmas, which was a fun light read. My favorite by a well known author, other than Dickens, is Santa's Evil Twin by Dean Koontz - it's friggin' hysterical!!! All in rhyme, really kind of marketed for kids but older kids and the adults get a real kick out of it.
Wanda B. Ontheshelves said, on 12/11/2007 4:06:00 PM
Re: "The Book Of Thanksgiving: Stories, Poems, and Recipes for Sharing One of America's Greatest Holidays"
Wow! So inspiring! I went and looked it up on Amazon.com, nice Thanksgiving cover. And yet - for Christmas this year, someone's giving me a Kinko's card with $60 on it, so I can get copies of my "Traveling Menstrual Show" printed up and bound...and start selling copies online! Oh, just the thing an agent would not want to hear...it's poetry...about the menstrual cycle...and you created a menstrual holiday, based on one of the poems? And you've been sending out Menstrual Monday Starter Kits, and people have been having parties? So now you're going to self-publish "Traveling Menstrual Show," i.e., "Stories, Poems and Recipes for Sharing One of America's...Most Unusual Holidays?" Oh geez...
Yep, certainly – instead of jumping on the Christmas bandwagon, I've jumped on the Mother's Day bandwagon, since Menstrual Monday "falls, er, spills the Monday before Mother's Day...because menstruation comes before motherhood, and usually long after it, too."
Well, we only go through life once...why not have a little fun? I suppose at some point I will be going to a writer's conference, and will need to say something about Menstrual Monday...an unusual example of what I call "holiday lit," I admit...but that's my "cred" for writing a holiday novel in the first place...
Wanda B. Ontheshelves said, on 12/11/2007 4:18:00 PM
My holiday novel takes the Santa Claus narrative and...well, the intention is not to get anybody in the mood for "mistletoe, nog, and good cheer," but rather...put a spin on Santa, in the way that Gregory Maguire put a spin on the Wicked Witch of the West in "Wicked."
Although "Wicked" is about a witch, it's definitely not marketed as a Halloween book. Which is why I appreciated the observation that:
"...the rest of the year most of us, including bookstores, want to avoid something that so obviously screams Christmas."
My novel doesn't scream Christmas (I now realize). It's about an encounter with an ice-palace-inhabiting female character, who has her own holiday:
"Sprig of forsythia in her hair Peach and lime on a silver tray A wild right through the midnight air Snowspell...in January"
And the novel, in a nutshell, answers the question: "What in god's name do global warming and inner cities have to do with each other?" My "female Santa Claus" is kind of the pivot between the two - the fulcrum, the connection - so when my characters encounter Sonya Chloe, they're encountering a magical being for whom...the solution (one of the solutions) to global warming lies in the inner cities.
Now, it may be the people who are interested in finding out what global warming and inner cities have to do with each other, in the guise of a reworked Santa Claus tale, may be limited...or not?...but I think it's a different set of readers than those who read "holiday lit" to get in the mood for Christmas. So I appreciate everybody's comments, it's helped a lot in figuring out what my novel is and isn't. (And I've been having a hard time figuring it out, and I wrote the thing!)
But then again...yeah, I couldn't help myself...there ARE all kinds of distinctive gifts, food, decorations, party ideas, etc, in the novel...that could be sold in a party kit type thing...that you could purchase right along with the novel!
So maybe I'm back to square one again...in terms of my pitch...
Thanks again for everybody's comments, anyway! I'm getting closer!
Wanda B. Ontheshelves said, on 12/11/2007 10:48:00 PM
Re: "Screaming Christmas"
Just came across this in the news:
“The Arctic is screaming,” said Mark Serreze, senior scientist at the government’s snow and ice data center in Boulder, Colo.
Just last year, two top scientists surprised their colleagues by projecting that the Arctic sea ice was melting so rapidly that it could disappear entirely by the summer of 2040.
This week, after reviewing his own new data, NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally said: “At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions.”
Thank you for the great advice . . . and free advice at that!
However, it seems you are always focusing on fiction, romance, and erotica.
Yet, I see you also represent series books, like the Dummies Guides and Idiot's Guides.
Why are there no interviews from those people? And, why little information about that genre?
I have submitted some cook books and so forth, and nothing. But I am OK with that. And, I understand you have to have a platform to write these books, but Geez... It would be interesting to see something from Bookends that isn't about romance novels. Where are the interviews from Dummie and Idiot writers? You have tons of other genres, so why are all the blogs about one genre?
I think this is my first truly critical blog question. Ouch!
BookEnds does represent a wide array of genres. Of course we represent romance and erotic romance, but we also represent mysteries, thrillers, suspense, women’s fiction, and a lot of nonfiction, both in series format (Idiot’s Guides and Dummies Guides) and single-title. So why are there no interviews from those authors? Because they have chosen not to submit them. While the BookEnds blog is primarily written by the agents of BookEnds, we do view it as a community effort and offer up to all of our clients the opportunity to post an interview or blog post at any time. We don’t, however, force our clients to post. The first year of the blog we did very specific Q&A interviews, but after some time both the readers and we got bored with them. It seemed most of our clients answered the same questions. So earlier this year we did away with the interview format and instead offered all of our clients the opportunity to blog on virtually anything at any time. However, while a lot of authors who have participated have been romance and erotic romance authors, we have also seen a number of blog posts from mystery authors, nonfiction authors, and our women’s fiction authors.
If I tend to use examples or answer questions relating more to romance or erotic romance, I apologize. I assume that would be primarily because those are the questions I get. I do, however, have a few questions in the pipeline pertaining to platform, and of course that will be more appealing to nonfiction authors.
When writing the blog I try to appeal to as many readers as possible, but as you as writers know, pleasing everyone is just not possible. So this is a good time to send a reminder to all. If you have a specific question for BookEnds (relating to anything writing, publishing, etc., in any genre) please send us an email using the link to the right and ask us. We’re more than happy to get your emails and reply as soon as we have a chance. In the same vein, if you have seen some hot publishing news or talk on other blogs, please let us know. I would never have been able to write the Jennifer Crusie piece of a few months back if it weren’t for the heads-up from a wonderful client.
And for those hoping to hear from more BookEnds clients, let us know what you’d like to hear about. Post in the comments section what you would like the BookEnds clients to reveal in a blog post. If you have questions for a specific author, post a comment. We’ll pass it along, although I know many are already readers.
Jessica
21 Comments on Where are the Other BookEnds Authors?, last added: 12/3/2007
Being a romance writer, I can't say I mind a fiction influence. ;)
I'd love to hear, from agent and writer both, about the "life" of a book. While I certainly know the basic steps to publication, I'd love an insider's unique view on the process from start to published book on the shelves.
Diana said, on 12/3/2007 12:24:00 AM
I am curious about how one goes about writing a "Dummies" or "Everything" book. Are the publishers of these books looking for authors to write on topics they'd like to offer, or is it up to the author to propose a topic?
As someone who is just at the querying stage (finished MS, but not published), I'm curious about what happens to the MS between when my agent finds an editor who is interested and when the book gets published.
Jeannie Ruesch covered my question about getting it to the shelves. :)
Kimber An said, on 12/3/2007 5:43:00 AM
I looooove the Idiots' Guide and For Dummies books! Keep 'em coming! I have a bunch of 'em.
jbstanley said, on 12/3/2007 8:22:00 AM
Dear Poster,
I am one of Jessica's clients and I'm a mystery writer. I lurk on this blog almost daily, but rarely post. One of the reasons is I'm already writing every day and also because I post on my own blog and a blog of Midnight Ink writers.
I think blogs are similiar to cocktail parties. There are a lot of personalities in one room, but some folks just lift their voices louder than others. I believe all of the BookEnds clients feel representated by this blog, however.
Jeannie, I would love to answer any questions you have about the life of a book (at least, from my p.o.v.). It takes me about six months to write and revise each of my mysteries. I then email it to whichever editor is awaiting the manuscript and within a month, they usually provide feedback on the book. Sometimes I do some quick revisions following that editorial letter, but mostly, the book gets circulated among the copy editing team. A few months later, the first round of editing begins. This process lasts for two-three months and the book is edited by many eyes three times. About 10-12 months after I originally turned the book in is when it hits the shelves.
Afterwards: The life of one's published book is amazingly varied. My first mystery, A Killer Collection, debuted Jan. 6,2006. It is already out of print. In other words, the print run sold out and it didn't do well enough to merit another printing. So far, my supper club series, which debuted with Carbs & Cadavers, is still alive, but only the sales numbers can determine how long each book will stay in print.
Does that help with your "life of a book" question? If there's anything else I can answer for you, or for the poster, I will lurk again here later on today.
Cheers, J.B. Stanley www.jbstanley.com
Kate Douglas said, on 12/3/2007 8:56:00 AM
JB Stanley's post reminds me of how little I knew about the "post sale" period of a book's life. The author's job doesn't end when the manuscript is accepted by an editor--in fact, a lot of the work is just starting. There can be requests for revision and there will definitely be copy edits to review and page proofs to read--I've discovered those surprise packages generally arrive on a Friday afternoon with instructions to return them "ASAP." I actually had to go over page proofs on the way to my mother in law's funeral, and then find a place where I could FedEx them after we arrived. Jessica has already covered the author's responsibility for post-publication publicity, though the amount of advertising an author does is up to them. I did a lot for my debut book with Kensington, but have backed off on the later releases and concentrated on things that take less time. One thing I can assure you is that life WILL change after your book comes out, especially if you intend to make a career out of your writing. I do four titles a year (two novels and two novellas) and writing is very much a full time occupation. I can honestly say I wouldn't change this life for anything--if you love to write, there is no finer occupation than that of an author.
Jeannie Ruesch said, on 12/3/2007 9:04:00 AM
Diana, I would be curious, too, about the Idiots books. I recently saw the movie "Evan Almighty" and had to laugh at the use of the Idiot's Guide to Building An Arc, by God. LOL Way too funny.
And J.B., thank you. You answered some of my basic questions. I know they would be completely varied by author, which is part of what fascinates me: that the experiences can be basically the same (getting published) and yet so unique to each person. I love seeing how it differs.
I have some other questions, if you don't mind my picking your brain.
How are your deadlines set? How do you propose new books?
And once the book is written and in the editing process, how are titles and book covers decided on? Do you, as the author (or your agent), have any say? Do you get to see the cover before it's finalized?
I was reading another agent's blog about title issues - the publisher came up with one that the writer absolutely hated, so the agent was desperately trying to come up with a new title to appease everyone. When people disagree, who gets the deciding vote?
And I probably should stop because I could keep you here all day. :)
Jeannie
Jeannie Ruesch said, on 12/3/2007 9:10:00 AM
Kate, I assume all of that proofing, editing and such happens alongside writing a new book? Or do you focus (if you have the luxury, I imagine, and time to do so) on getting that one out the door before moving forward?
I am trying to establish a work ethic now - timeframe to write, edit and move on, etc- that will work when (being positive!) I get published. So it helps to know what the other side of the business looks like. :)
And publicity is another beast, I imagine. I have a background in marketing and communications, so I know the sheer effort it can take to publicize anything or anyone. How much of your time, would you say, you devote to publicity?
And thank you as well, for indulging my questions!
Jeannie
Sally MacKenzie said, on 12/3/2007 10:24:00 AM
Jeannie,
I'm not Kate or JB, but I've stumbled over here today, so I'll give my two cents.
The thing to remember is often the process, while somewhat standard--at least at NY publishers--does vary from book to book and from house to house. I usually get only get copy edits and page proofs--and yes, they do come while you are working on the next book, and usually when you are just getting up steam and into that new project! I can't proof and write at the same time, so I have to put aside the new book to work on the book in production--and then get back into it once I send the production book back to my editor.
I actually came up with my book titles--well, I came up with The Naked Duke and everything has followed--Nakedly--from there. But I would say most times the house comes up with the title, though usually there is some back and forthing. I had no say on my covers--I think only the very big names do--but I was very happy, so no problems. I guess if there was something I really didn't like, I'd see what Jessica could do. But it is usually better to keep in mind that the house's sales/marketing team just might have a better idea of what will get people to pick up a book than the author--there are unfortunate mistakes, of course, but that is their area of expertise. They want the book to sell, too.
I pick my deadlines when I sign a new contract, but--and I'm in that position now--when the date approaches, if I'm running late, I contact my editor. If the book is on a tight production schedule, the author had better turn it in on time. But if the deadline really has no direct bearing on the production/scheduling of the book, then there's more wiggle room.
The house will schedule books way in advance--I think 2008 is probably already pretty full at my house, but 2009 isn't on the boards yet, though they have already got books coming in for that year--I'm contracted for a novel and novella for 2009. The actual scheduling--slots and what not--is another whole topic.
As to how I propose new books, I've been lucky--I just say, well, I'll do something Naked. (Though I'm running out of Naked guys and will have to come up with a new idea soon.) The contract is usually for a book or two with an option on the next work. So, for the option book, most folks do a synopsis and three chapters--but again, that can vary.
Hope that helps.
Anonymous said, on 12/3/2007 10:32:00 AM
FWIW, I read this blog because I'm interested in learning about what BookEnds is looking for, how they select the writers they represent, and what they think about the industry.
I can read interviews with authors elsewhere.
Cindy Procter-King said, on 12/3/2007 11:07:00 AM
I'm one of those who reads agent blogs primarily to learn more about the agent/agency/industry. I tend to skip over the author blogs posted to agency blogs UNLESS that author publishes in a sub-genre in which I write. Then I tend to get more interested, because learning about the author is another way to learn about the BookEnds agency.
If I want to read author's postings, I go to author blogs. Primarily.
Erik said, on 12/3/2007 11:57:00 AM
I am also very curious about the Idiot's Guides. These are very well read, usually of very high quality, and quite useful.
I've long wanted to write the Idiot's Guide to Community Organizing and/or Nonprofit Management, but I have no idea how they select the titles and authors, either. I do not think either of these topics exists as in a concise, easily read guide yet.
Heather B. Moore said, on 12/3/2007 1:02:00 PM
I read this blog primarily for advice . . . no matter the genre being discussed, I've learned a lot.
Kate Douglas said, on 12/3/2007 1:26:00 PM
Jeannie R: Sally gave you an excellent answer to your question and I agree with her--I can't work on more than one project at a time, so when copy edits or page proofs show up, I get them done and back to my publisher asap. As far as work ethic--panic is a great motivator. I work seven days a week, but because of that, if I have to take a day off for something else I can do it without guilt. The thing is, when you love what you do, it really isn't work.
My contracts have all been for three novels and three novellas each, so I know well in advance when the work will be due. I make a point of meeting my deadlines whenever I can, but if I know I will be late, I always let my editor know as soon as I recognize the problem, and then I try and get the work done ahead of the extended deadline. That's only happened a couple of times--it's an envelope I don't ever want to push.
As far as publicity...that's a whole other blog! Feel free to write me off line at [email protected]
Jeannie Ruesch said, on 12/3/2007 4:16:00 PM
Thank you, JB, Kate and Sally. I fear I have hijacked this blog post with my questions, but I appreciate your time in answering them for me!
Jeannie
jbstanley said, on 12/3/2007 4:34:00 PM
Jeannie,
You ask all you want, darling. We writers have to help one another. In truth, the writing community is quite small and I have found that the majority of published writers are more than willing to speak openly and often about the process. I wish you great success in your endeavors and if you ever want to ask more questions, pop over to my site. My email is there and I'd be glad to be of service. Have a lovely week. :) JB
Michele Dunaway said, on 12/3/2007 4:48:00 PM
Okay, this really long...
I like reading the author blogs. I like to see what else BookEnds has out. As for blogs, I have one coming out next week, on Dec. 14. I'll talk a little about the story behind my Harlequin NASCAR release.
It's the first book Jessica sold for me. She fought to keep the title, Hart's Victory.
To me, the author blogs show the author and his/her personality. This is the person the agent said "yes" to working with. Hart's Victory is the total opposite of the erotic romance Jessica also handles. Yet the book is extremely emotional and every reviewer has said you need tissues while reading it.
The author blog tells you a little bit about what makes that person so special, and why that agent and author might have connected in the way that they did. I love reading posts by Kate Douglas and Christie Craig. I got to meet them March 06 and because we are all so different, there wasn't any "I feel less of a client." That's the thing about agencies--you can feel a little like the least favored wife in a polygamous marriage. I feel no such lack of love at BookEnds. In fact, I know a few big name authors who have left big name agencies because they got lost in the shuffle of too many big names.
For BookEnds to highlight an author and BookEnds client is good business for everyone. After all, BookEnds is also here to sell its clients books. Putting the books out shows the diversity the agency has, which helps attract other talent to query the agency. Read what BookEnds sold. It might not be in a genre you write, but that might be a good thing. When I write, I read mystery and suspense. Reading other romance works when I read mine makes me think mine sucks. I get lost in comparison.
The author blogs also allow the opportunity to ask questions. Your time is always better spent writing the best book possible, which is really what sells the next one, not my blog.
And as for publication time, I have a book due 1/5. I have one page of 320 written. The deadline cannot be extended. I work full time but can easily do 5-10 pages a day, up to 40 when I have 12 hours straight. I don't have a set writing time. I write in big spurts.
As for my book, it will be done for it must be done--the book is out in September with a title given to it by the publisher and a cover I won't see until the send it to me.
Michele Dunaway Hart's Victory, Harlequin NASCAR, 12/07 The Christmas Date, Harlequin American Romance, 12/07 The Marriage Recipe, Harlequin American Romance, 4/08 Out of Line, Harlequin NASCAR, 6/08 Tailspin, Harlequin NASCAR, 9/08
Deborah K. White said, on 12/3/2007 5:53:00 PM
Thanks to the authors who wrote about what happens after your book is sold. I knew the basics, but didn't know how long the various stages might take.
Jessica, I keep trying to send this blog question to the e-mail address listed on the blog, but it keeps getting bounced. Do agents submit a manuscript to the acquisitions editor at each imprint (meaning, if the house excepts unagented manuscripts, it goes through the same editor whether you have an agent or not) or do agents somehow bypass the acquisitions editor and send their queries directly to any editor working at the imprint that might be interested in the manuscript? I've read one agent blog that seems to say the first option and another agent blog that implies the second option.
Wanda B. Ontheshelves said, on 12/3/2007 6:51:00 PM
Re: "..I keep trying to send this blog question to the e-mail address listed on the blog, but it keeps getting bounced."
Hi Deborah,
Just FYI, I did send an email to [email protected] 11/19/07 and it did go through (at least, it didn't bounce)...maybe you could try sending an email through a different email address, if you have another one? I find a yahoo email address seems to work, when my other, more "idiosyncratic" email addy's get bounced (not very often, but sometimes).
Wanda
Kate Douglas said, on 12/3/2007 7:59:00 PM
Michele: great post and you're right about feeling special with this agency. I don't think any of the BookEnds clients are anything like one another, but when we get together we all click. Must be the common denominator of the agency, or maybe our agents know what kinds of people will get along. (Yep, that's it. We're not accepted because of our skill in telling a story but how well we'll get along at the annual bash at RWA...) And thank you for posting your deadline...mine's not until January 15 and I've got a little over 100 pages done. I don't feel NEARLY as panicky now!
Jim Mercurio said, on 12/3/2007 9:07:00 PM
I check out Jessica's blogs all of the time. (Personally, I think she should mine this material and compile an ebook or three) Her advice is great. Coming from the film industry, it is shocking to me to see that agents can actually be generous to non-clients. In the film and TV arena, the agents are surrounded by gatekeepers and threshold guardians to make sure everyone on the inside feels "special" and to make sure everyone on the outside feels, ah, "outside". If my poker book, Screw Your Neighbor, gets picked up, I would be proud to blog here. But 'til then I guess the film industry has beat me down: I'm not worthy, I'm not worthy.
Being new to this process...one thing that I have learned is that the actual book proposal process is fun but more importantly educational. Feedback and advice that I got along the way from Jessica and an editor at National Lampoon helped me understand how audiences and publishers think. In creating a 10-30 page argument for your book (in a proposal), you can start seeing whether there is a unique book there worth writing.
Kate Douglas said, on 12/3/2007 10:16:00 PM
Jim, good luck and hang on. I felt the same way about the print industry for many years. When I finally struck gold, it took me a full year to believe I really was published and fulfilling a dream I'd had for so long it had become an "impossible fantasy." Now it's possible and I'm loving it, but you have to stick it out until the fantasy becomes reality, and that requires not quitting. Best of luck to you.
I received this question recently, and coincidentally I had a phone call not too long ago with someone in this very predicament. Not a bad position to be in. . . .
I am in the middle of writing a YA science fantasy, but have also been approached by a gentleman with platform to ghostwrite his nonfiction project. I see the nonfiction as bringing in the daily bread, and I know I will enjoy the process, but my passion is firmly in the fiction field. How should I go about my agent search? I’d prefer to have one agent if at all possible, but the pool of agents who handle nonfiction plus science fiction and fantasy plus YA is a short one. Should I let the "name" on the nonfiction project pursue an agent on his own, and sign agreements that way, or should I be the one on the hunt? If the latter, do I just concentrate on the nonfiction proposal, or is it okay to mention my diversity in the query letter? Note: I already know not to actually pitch multiple projects in one query; I’m thinking just a brief mention of my fiction interests.
There is a lot of advice I could give here and all of it depends on where things stand. I think you are a little ahead of yourself on all fronts here, so let’s approach things one at a time.
YA project first . . . since you are only in the middle of the project you’re not ready to query on this yet. Therefore it’s a moot point (or as Joey from Friends would say, “a moo point.”) You can only plan for your future so much, and planning for something that may or may not happen months down the road can stifle someone and eventually hurt her career. For example, who knows what decisions I would have made ten years ago had I known I was going to start BookEnds. No, sometimes the best laid plans are those that are unexpected.
I guess what I’m saying is that you need to look at the most pressing possibility first, and since you have nothing yet to submit on the YA I would simply hold off on worrying about that or even including it in your equation. In an ideal world you would find one agent to handle everything, but we all know that publishing is far from an ideal world.
As for the nonfiction project, I’m assuming you have worked with this expert and have some sort of proposal to send around. You will need to have something, even something short, to send to agents before someone is going to represent you. Before working on anything, though, I would also suggest that you put an agreement in writing. This should stipulate, among other things, how much you each expect to get paid (you could always say that this will be determined at the time of the offer), whether or not you are getting author credit or simply ghostwriting, and what happens if things don’t work out and/or the platformed author decides to find a new ghostwriter. You should of course be compensated for your time. Any time you are coauthoring or ghostwriting with or for someone, you need an agreement. I have one I use for my authors and would suggest you check out freelance Web sites (maybe someone can suggest some) for guidance on writing up your own.
Since you are the ghostwriter on this project and have no real credentials yourself it’s going to be tough to get an agent to represent you separately. I would suggest you work as a team to find an agent that can suit both of your needs as nonfiction authors. Primarily, though, you want an agent with expertise in the subject you’re selling, not someone who necessarily has expertise in YA Fantasy. Remember, your goal is to sell the book. If you need to find a second agent to sell your YA Fantasy, that’s certainly better than having one agent who can really sell neither. The smart author finds the very best agent for each individual project, especially since the nonfiction agent is really representing the book (and platformed author), you’re just a bonus in the package.
Presumably the nonfiction agent will represent both of your interests fairly and honestly. However, if you find that she expresses favoritism to the platformed author and doesn’t seem to be representing your interests at that point, when you have a deal in hand, you could always ask that someone else be brought in to represent your side fairly. In most cases, though (when I’ve done similar projects), it’s worked out pretty well.
To sum up, focus on one project at a time.
Jessica
4 Comments on Different Agents for Different Projects, last added: 10/18/2007
I love your advice for writers not to get ahead of themselves. You've got to be kidding? Everyone knows "obsessive writer" is about as redundant as you can get, assuming said writer is unpublished.
That being said, your post leads me to a burning question, specifically, about submitting to BookEnds.
Several years ago, Jacky requested/read/passed on a partial of my first novel. Recently, Kim requested a partial of the same novel (the novel has been extensively rewritten) and, realistically, I believe she'll pass too.
The question: I'm now close to finishing another project that is in an entirely different genre from the first novel, a genre that more closely matches Jacky's list than Kim's. How do I submit without offending anyone at the agency?
(PS Never submitted to Jessica because she didn't appear to be a match for my first novel.)
Anonymous said, on 10/18/2007 6:55:00 AM
For the poster I'd say first beware of the "gentleman" who has a platform in the first place. Often people think they are more important than they are and when push comes to shove have no more clout than any unpublished writer in gaining representation. Do not do ONE OUNCE of work on these nonfiction books until you have a contract from a publisher.
And if this guy is so "connected" as to warrant interest in a book by him (ghostwritten by you), then he should be able to land an agent for this and not put that off on you. Also, and not to knock you in any way, but if he's legit, why would he want an unpublished author (with a yet unproven sales record)to handle something that he's got such a great platform for?
I was approached by someone (through a third party) to write their biography once. But gee, they weren't famous -- at least not famous enought that I knew off the bat who they were. Oh, and also, they claimed to "know" publishers and people in the industry. Um, yeah, then why were they asking a CHILDREN'S fiction writer to write a non-fiction biography?
Be careful. You could be opening a can of worms you don't want to open.
Anonymous said, on 10/18/2007 7:42:00 AM
Re the ghostwriting job.
If someone really has a strong platform, publishers often assign their own ghostwriters to work with them. In fact, MOST of the nonfiction you read that is supposedly written by famous doctors, etc, is actually ghostwritten, though no writer credit may appear anywhere in the book.
When I sold my first nonfiction book I was told by the editor that it was unusual for them to be able to skip the professional rewrite stage, as they did with my book, because most professionals wrote so poorly!
So I agree that you shouldn't do any work for this supposed expert on spec. If your person with the "platform" can't write a decent nonfiction proposal that generates interest, there's no point in going forward. Especially since the publisher may assign a writer.
BTW, I have learned from friends that the same is true with illustrating children's books. The publisher may assign an illustrator, and more than one artist has wasted a lot of time doing illustrations for an author who ended up selling the book to a publisher who replaced the illustrator with their own choice.
Erik said, on 10/18/2007 11:09:00 AM
Thanks, Jessica. I had a potential ghostwriting client who wanted an unpublished author in part to avoid these problems. I am glad it fell through now after reading this, as I really don't understand the industry to start with, let alone getting embroiled in a conflict like this.
The single-title contemporary romance market seems to be kaput for now . . . yet authors like Susan Elizabeth Phillips, Catherine Anderson, Susan Wiggs, Susan Mallery still manage to hang on to their share of the market. What common denominators account for their continued success (other than being named "Susan")? In your opinion, do they write "high concept" contemporary romance?
In your opinion, can an author build a strong career today—like the ladies above—in straight contemp romance/romantic comedy?
Wouldn’t it be great if all you had to do was change your name to Susan? The truth is that all of these women began their careers in another time, a time when straight contemporary was an easy sell. Since then they’ve built a strong readership that buys every book they write.
A market doesn’t go stagnant or dead or kaput or whatever word we’re using these days because no one, ever, anywhere isn’t reading it; it becomes that way because it gets flooded. When a market is hot, like paranormal romance is now, editors buy everything they can get their hands on and it isn’t long before there are too many books and too many authors for the readers. It’s simple supply and demand. The readers get tired of being inundated, the cream rises to the top, a few stars remain, and it suddenly becomes a market that’s called dead. It’s called dead because the numbers slow. Why do the numbers slow? There are too many books. Is it really dead? No way, it’s just more challenging. Editors are no longer needing to fill lists with contemporary romance, they already have what they need. So to break into it now you’re going to have to work a little harder than you would have had you hit it when things were hot. You’re going to have to write a better book and you’re going to have to make it different and exciting. You’re going to have to give it some kind of hook.
You also need to realize when looking at so-called dead markets that you can’t compare what editors are buying to what’s on the bestseller lists. Once authors consistently hit bestseller lists they are no longer connected with a genre or sub-genre. They are a genre onto themselves. Stephen King is a perfect example. He doesn’t write horror. He writes Stephen King.
So remember this, dear writers. Dead is never dead. The readers, they will come. Dead just means challenging.
—Jessica
11 Comments on A "Dead" Market, last added: 6/29/2007
Great post. So what is hot NOW. And I'm not asking because I want to write about that subject. I'm just curious. What subjects are on editors list that are not being filled. And if you get a submission you know it'll sell easier.
Anonymous said, on 6/28/2007 2:17:00 AM
Do you think the paranormal/urban fantasy trend will "die" soon? As one of the readers who never liked this trend, I am eagerly waiting for other sub-genres to get an upswing. Fantasy-romance (i.e. fantasy in a non-contemporary setting with strong romance elements) would be my dream...
Selene
Kimber An said, on 6/28/2007 5:11:00 AM
I think another lesson to be learn is once we do published to work our butts off building our own readership that will carry us beyond the trends!
Anonymous said, on 6/28/2007 6:22:00 AM
Count me as a reader who if she sees one more vampire on the cover of a book she might just... well, I don't know what I'm going to do I just know I'm so sick of vampires!!!
Funny vampires, sad vampires, sexy vampire, erotic vampires, moody vampires.
How about some regular men. How about that?
As for what's next... we'll see, but I bet there's a shift away from the dark. It's time to pull back the curtains and let some light in.
That should take care of those vampires.
Bryan D. Catherman said, on 6/28/2007 6:48:00 AM
reality,
With the time necessary to get a book from first draft to a finished book on the bookseller's bookshelf, you should be asking what's hot in a year or two. Because what's how NOW will be flooded by then.
Diana Peterfreund said, on 6/28/2007 7:08:00 AM
Selene, you should check out C.L. Wilson. She's got a big high fantasy-romance series coming out this fall called TAIREN SOUL. Sold at auction and everything.
Reid said, on 6/28/2007 8:22:00 AM
The lesson here is to write what you love, and not what's trendy.
That's why I wrote a novel about an orphaned teenager being raised in a school for wizards who falls in love with a vampire, then travels through time while giving out diet advice.
I also manage to work a cat and a number into the title of each installment, if you're interested.
Anonymous said, on 6/28/2007 8:51:00 AM
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Reality: When you want to ask a question, it's conventional to use question marks.
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WordVixen said, on 6/28/2007 3:47:00 PM
reid- if you ever write/publish the books you mention in comments, I'm so getting in the front of the line. Or begging review copies.
reality said, on 6/28/2007 10:11:00 PM
bryan, Thanks for the response. As I said I am just curious to find out. I do not intend to change my writing style or subject because of what's hot today. You are right; trends die.
Anonymous said, on 6/29/2007 12:09:00 AM
Diana,
Thanks! I'm always on the lookout for good novels. I will definitely check them out.
Last Wednesday I did a post on the Encyclopedia of Sub-Genres and heard from a lot of you who disagreed with my definitions which I think proves a very, very good point. There is no right or wrong way to do this. Decisions on how a book is categorized or marketed is made by the publisher. It is a marketing decision and what one publisher would call erotic romance another calls erotica. I've sold erotic romance that the publisher marketed as paranormal romance and I've sold mystery that the publisher decided to call romance. Why? They felt they could better sell the book by marketing in those ways.
There are no exact guidelines to defining sub-genres. There's no publishing handbook that tells you what these are. They are all fluid and based on how each individual publisher operates and what the market demands. Just two short years ago authors writing fantasy with romance were shelved only in fantasy. Paranormal romances were primarily vampires and other beasts. Now things have changed and we see much less of a distinction between some fantasy and romance. Now it's really a matter of whether your book is more fantasy or more romance, or who it would appeal to the most.
So why would I bother with the encyclopedia in the first place? To give you a better understanding of what people might be talking about when they use these terms. When I get a "cozy mystery" that features a gory serial killer I know the writer doesn't know the market and it immediately places doubts about whether she's ready to be published. Using these guidelines you should better be able to understand where your book might fit, but ultimately it's up to your agent and publisher to decide exactly who the market is and how to make your book the most successful it can be.
I know that doesn't help the many of you who are unsure of what to call your book. What do you do then? My advice. Seek out those books that you feel would most appeal to your audience. Will readers of Jennifer Weiner or Elizabeth Berg most likely gravitate toward your book? Are you appealing more to the Christine Feehan audience or Laurell K. Hamilton before she crossed over to the romance market? Where are those books published? That's how you can define your sub-genre.
The reason for a sub-genre is so the readers (and that includes editors and agents) can more easily find your book in the bookstore and the bookstores know where to put it. So when thinking about how to categorize your book think about where it would best fit. If it doesn't fit anywhere you might have a problem. If you don't know where your book should sell how do you think the bookstores are going to feel and how do you think readers will find it?
Sub-genres are a tricky business and all of these definitions could change tomorrow.
9 Comments on Choosing a Genre, last added: 5/23/2007
I had this hit home when I was talking to a very successful writer of what I guess you would call horror or dark suspense. He'd changed agents lately and he'd commented that one of the things his agent had been interested in was his current shift from supernatural to paranormal. I have to admit, particularly as a writer of so-called "realistic" action-thrillers (or political thrillers or action-adventure or...) that I'm hard-pressed to figure out what the difference is. But in somebody's mind there is one.
Kate Douglas said, on 5/22/2007 12:14:00 PM
Even the publishers don't know what to call the various genres. My first contract for my Wolf Tales series was for "erotica." The second contract was for "erotic romance." Sub-genres are an ever-evolving part of this business. It all goes back to that old line all of us have heard from an editor at one time or another: Write your own book. Of course, when writers DO write their own books and catch an editor or agent's attention, it's probably because they've done something unique, which often requires blending genres...and once again confusing everyone! I DO love this business!
Kate Douglas said, on 5/22/2007 12:16:00 PM
I should have mentioned in my comment that, while my contracts are for two totally different sub-genres, the stories are still the same!
Kimber An said, on 5/22/2007 1:11:00 PM
Thank you so much!
Some of my stories' sub-genres are clear from the moment they pop into my head, but some remain difficult to define until the end. This is another aspect of the business I'll be more than happy to hand over to an agent and/or editor.
Laura Kramarsky said, on 5/22/2007 1:33:00 PM
And then there are the times you plan to write one kind of story, and the characters keep insisting on another...
Linda Adams said, on 5/22/2007 5:11:00 PM
Even the way the publisher markets the book doesn't affect where the book might land in the bookstore or the library. In my Borders, all thrillers end up in the mystery section, regardless of whether it's a crime novel or an adventure novel. But in my B&N, the non-crime thrillers end up in general fiction. At the library, I've seen several series authors wind up with books in the general fiction and detective fiction--and all the same thriller series.
It was greatly confusing to me when I started writing my first book because I could never quite figure out where it fit. It had a crime in it, so it seemed like mystery, only when I read mystery books, it didn't feel like a mystery. I read books on how to write mysteries, and again, my story just didn't seem to fit. It was thriller, but it was so hard to tell where it might fit because similar books always seemed to be shelved in different places.
But if I were trying to figure out where I fit now, I think I would even be more confused. Reading lots and lots and lots of thrillers was the only way I was ever able to begin to sort it out. Otherwise, I'd probably be sending out my action-adventure as mystery or mainstream fiction because that's how it looks in my bookstore.
Kimber An said, on 5/22/2007 8:33:00 PM
Oh, I hear ya, Laura. Characters can be so pushy sometimes!
JDuncan said, on 5/23/2007 4:47:00 AM
This gets even trickier when you are doing something that is cross genres. How do you market something that has sci fi elements but is set primarily in medieval Wales? I'm still not sure what to classify my story as, but scifi-historical just sounds a little off.
Kimber An said, on 5/23/2007 9:17:00 AM
jduncan, I'd think Paranormal Historical. I've got something similar set during the Battle of Britain (WWII.) Of course, I've been warned Historicals set after the turn of the 20th century don't usually get bought. But, the Muse can be tough to argue with, yanno. She's a stubborn old hag.
I actually think it's interesting when an author is a surprise. I remember reading Brett Lott's "Jewel," specifically the part where the main character is describing first realizing she is pregnant. I remember being amazed -- even skeptical -- that a man had written it. I kept thinking, how did he know?!
I have to say that I look less at the name on a cover than I did even a few years ago. Being visual, the cover snatches my attention first.
I read then the back cover blurb, deciding from there whether to buy.
Few exceptions, unless I hear that everyone dislikes a book, then I'm likely to read it and see why.
There are so many authors, and even the seasoned authors who have written in a particular romance genre for a long time are-- due to various demands-- changing genres, or blending genres in their romance writing. Some keep their names, and others choose a pen name.
As more blending of genres occur, the line of gender writing is becoming less and less distinct,IMO.
Like someone said-a good book is a good book, after all. If I'm going to spend hours at a B& N, likely I'm looking for a good story.
Now I will admit, that if I read a story marketed as 'romance'(sub-genre/elements or gender-hopping names notwithstanding) and it turns out without the HEA,(historical romance fiction based on real life- exempt) I might be a bit miffed. No, make that, I throw it against the wall.
Which I suppose is another topic, for another time-has the requirement for the HEA Happily ever after) changed in the romance genre?
Amanda McIntyre
Anon 10:18 thanks for that laugh!
In the YA market it actually does matter. Female authors that write "boy books" often use their initials and last name as opposed to putting a feminine name on a book cover.
It would certainly give a special little fillip to signings and public appearances.
Not to mention the author photo at the end of the book...
Based only on the people I've met and spoken with, men seem to have more trouble with it than women. I've met men who won't read books written by women, no matter what genre. A few of them seem proud of this, which is interesting, seeing as that bullheadedness isn't usually considered an accomplishment.
And I could see some women shying away from romances written by men. It's less familiar. Still, I think you could miss out on a lot of good books with either attitude.
I suppose if the author was really worried about public image, he or she could simply use initials until the book is well established, then show up at the readings.
After all, Norah Roberts did just fine as J.D. Robb.
p.s. my husband said he'd go straight for the back cover to see what Candy Cane looks like.
I have been surprised--and shocked, I guess--at the number of times on listservs that I have heard--typically women--say, "I won't read a book written by a man." Or, "I won't read a book with a female main character if it's written by a man because men can't do it."
I haven't heard men say this, though I don't doubt it's true. So there probably are good reasons to put the gender-bending pseudonym on it, although it seems to me that the initials are a dead give-away.
J.K. Rowling
J.A. Jance
J.A. Konrath
J.A. Kerley (this one is new; Jack's early books have his name on them, but he notes that his British publisher is requesting the J.A.. Sure are a lot of J.A.'s there, which brings me to).
P.J. Parrish
P.J. Tracy
P.J. O'Rourke
To which I can only plead: if you're going to go this route, please, please avoid the initials PJ or JA.
Hmmm. J.K. Terry. Got a nice ring to it.
hey he/she could always show up at booksignings in drag!
It doesn't make any difference to me. When I'm reading something new the gender of the author doesn't really register with me until I come across a scene or piece of dialogue that makes me think, sounds like a woman/man wrote this book. Then I check the name of the author to see if I'm right. Pseudonyms really throw a monkey wrench into the works but it's all fun.
This reminds me of a story a friend who was a romance editor a long time ago told me. She had a male writer who wrote under a female pen name. He/she was invited to do an interview, but didn't want to reveal his identity--or maybe the publisher didn't want him, too,I don't remember--so my friend, the editor, had to pretend to be him. As I say, this was a long time ago--maybe the early 80s.
I don't know any gender hopping authors personally, but one of my friends who writes under a pen name mentioned one interesting pitfall of pen names in general. At first when people at conferences or large book signings would call her by her "first" name, she wouldn't respond--she didn't realize they were talking to her. So the next friend who took a pen name, keep her first name the same, to avoid that confusion.
If I ever gender hop, I think I'll stick to initials. Signing a man's name would be a little too schizoid (sp?) for me.
To pen name or not to pen name--I debated with that question on the eve of my first book hitting the e-shelves. My real name doesn't slip trippingly from the tongue, so I took the initials route with a combination of my first and middle names. It wasn't to conceal my gender, especially since my picture is on my website.
The gender of an author is immaterial to me when I read a book. I'll give any author a try.
A.L.Debran
When I think of amazing romance novels, I think of Nicholas sparks, so no, I wouldn't be opposed to a man's name being on a romance!
It wouldn't matter to me at all, but I do remember an interview with P.D. James where she said she went with the initials because she didn't think Patricia James would be taken seriously as a mystery writer when she started. I believe JK Rowling echoed the same sentiments.
I think some people have misunderstood what I meant by a man who understands women. I don't mean someone who can discuss fashion with me. I mean a man who can read women and knows what buttons to push to get the reaction he desires. The man who knows the hot spots. The man who can immediately sense or within a short time sense, what will drive a woman insane.
I once had a discussion with one of the three guys such as this I bounce ideas off. We were discussing a scene and I was floored by the emotional and even erotic aspects he tossed out. I think he probably understands what makes women tick better than women do. I told him he ought to be writing romance. He responded he has, he just really doesn't enjoy them. He'd rather practice than write about it.
When you find a talented, in more than one way, man like that who reads women and can go into a romantic scene with an understanding of what is going on with both partners, I would think that is magic.
I wish I understood men as well as these guys understand women. I would switch from fantasty with romantic undertones to romance with fantasy notes.
I don't know if I'd be disapointed or not, but I know that the book signing would be a bit akward...
Many years ago, my brother was horrified to learn Andre Norton was a woman. When she started writing, people believed no one would buy science fiction by a woman. Well, despite the revelation, my brother kept buying her books. The funny thing was, I'd been reading the books after him (I was maybe ten or eleven) and I assumed "Andre" was a female name because it seemed clear to me the author was female. In any case, an author's gender means nothing to me. I just want to read a good book.
It makes a huge difference. I've yet to see a thriller/action novel I like written by a woman.
My first point I'd like to bring up is it isn't necessary to utilize initials. There are also countless uni-sex names from which to choose, which again puts the reader into an "oops, my bad" scenario, and does offer more freedom to choose. Another option would be to make up a name. When I say my first and middle initial for instance, I hear an inventive opportunity in its sound, and have considered it as a possible flip.
If we are going to be expressive as writers, we might as well keep up the good name...maybe one that is so unique it will cause the reader to remember!
zzCrapshooter, can you say without a trace of doubt the "male" writers you prefer are in fact male?
Years ago, there was an author by the name of VC Andrews. The majority of her audience was female. And there was no surprise to find out this initial-toting writer was female.
The interesting twist to this story is—no one knew she was DEAD.
After she passed away (1986), her family hired a ghostwriter to keep both her memory and her unique stories alive. (No unkindness intended, but I imagine the royalties didn’t hurt the cause either.) There were more VC Andrews books written after she died, than were written by her while alive. I’m not certain at what point it was announced she had passed away and a ghostwriter existed, but it was a solid stretch at any rate.
If our glorious industry can make millions of people believe someone is alive, rest assured they can make at least a hundred believe a woman is a man—or vice versa—and you might just be one of those hundred.
In addition, a man carried her legendary “female author” career forward through time. Kudos to her for bringing such fame to a name, and to him for having the capacity as a writer to keep her alive in the hearts of her fans.
As a guy, I don't have any trouble reading books by women, no matter what the genre. And if the techno/spy-thriller is strictly man territory, someone forgot to tell Gayle Lynds that before she took over the reins from Robert Ludlum and then started writing her own best-selling thrillers.
I couldn't care less about a writer's gender if I enjoy the book, but I always wonder about the practical aspects of assuming not only a different name but a different gender. How would Alfred promote his romance novel? Attend the RWA conference in a dress? Hire a beautiful, romantic-looking young actress to do signings for him? What if his book became a runaway success and everybody wanted interviews with "Cassandra"? What if that beautiful young actress decided she wanted to actually *be* Cassandra and old Alfred was in her way? Good plot for a mystery -- but I think somebody's already written that story.
Mmmm...interesting. I think names are important and do help sell a book. The gender wouldn't put me off: I would read romantic fiction penned by a man, or military fiction by a women. However, I do think the name itself is a trigger in the selling process. I am a female and write horror/fantasy. I have chosen the name Akasha Savage as my pen-name, I feel that my real name, Debi Sands, doesn't lend itself comfortably to that genre.
I would only assume a pen name if I decided to write a memoir and the chances of that happening are zilch.
I could care less about names on a cover unless they are so contrived it makes me wonder if the writing is so bad the author needed a gimmick.
The movie Don't Tell Her It's Me features a romance author with a poetic name. The no-nonsense reporter is positive the name is made up, but it really is her name.
I want people focusing on my writing, not wondering how long it took me to come up with the name I.C. Fingers for my zombie romantic mysteries.
As a man who has tried to find a home for several women's fiction novels I know more about this subject that I ever thought I would.
I will say querying with only initials as oppsoed to my full masculine name, raised my "Interested-send me more rate" from about thirty percent to just over fifty.
I'm sorry Travis...
But I can't help it, but I don't want to read romances or women's fiction written by a man. I don't feel that women are portrayed correctly by men, and sometimes I've even noticed books that felt off...I didn't bother to research them, but I suspected the use of a pseudonym. I've even been put off by some mainstream novels where women characters are written with far too much machismo.
So yeah, stick to the pseudonym and hope your readers can't tell!