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By Michelle Rafferty

In the second part of my conversation with David Sehat, author of The Myth of American Religious Freedom, we discuss the influence of the moral establishment today – on women as well as the gay community. Read on to find out why evangelical Christian families like to keep “sexy” in the family (i.e. the Sarah Palin effect)!  For the back-story, go to Part 1.

Me: So marriage is completely transforming. And not just because of gay rights. When the recession hit we heard about a lot of moms taking over the family unit. Young people (pre-adults) are putting marriage off or forgoing it all together (woman no longer needs man). What do these shifts mean, when the moral establishment is concerned?

Sehat: I think the law has evolved in exactly the way that Stanton wanted [for more on Stanton see Part 1]. She essentially wanted no-fault divorces, in which people could decide that it wasn’t working out, for whatever reason. That development in law didn’t occur until the 1970s, which coincided with the dismantling of the moral establishment by the U.S. Supreme Court during and after the 1960s. But I’m not sure that marriage is over. Marriage still involves a powerful set of legal incentives – we’re talking about property rights, hospital visitation, tax benefits. And that’s why many gay activists want gay marriage -to erase the stigma of gay relationships and to gain access to this powerful legal status without having to go pay a lawyer several thousand dollars to arrange for the transfer of assets at death and the various legal protections that come automatically with marriage.

Me: As same-sex marriage becomes legalized in more states, do you foresee the moral establishment…letting it go?

Sehat: I don’t see conservative religious advocates letting it go, because for them marriage is the center-piece of a society in which religious norms are defended in the community as a whole. For religious conservatives, society is not a collection of individuals, but of families. And families are central to the perpetuation of godly norms. Gay marriage is an affront to that ideal and the last place where they can make a stand, since they have lost so much ground with at-fault divorce, the acceptance of sex out of wedlock, etc.

Me: And where exactly in the bible does is say homosexuality is evil? Ooo and that I’m a slave to man? Would you mind refreshing me on those passages?

Sehat: There are a bunch. In addition to the idea that women were created to help man, in Genesis 3:16, after God found out that Adam and Eve had eaten the apple, God says to Eve:

I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing, with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you.

That last part, “and he will rule over you,” is the foundation of Christian patriarchy. There are also examples in the New Testament of women being commanded to stay silent in church and to submit and obey their husbands. Ephesians 5:22:

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.

And there are several negative references to homosexuality. The obvious one is the Sodom and Gomor

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In this two-part series, Michelle and Lauren explore some of the most hot-button issues in religion this past year.

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Christopher Hitchens and Tariq Ramadan Debate: Is Islam a Religion a Peace?

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DADNAPPED has a star!

And I couldn't be happier about it. Emily Osment, who plays Lilly on Disney Channel's "Hannah Montana" is going to play Melissa, the main character in my movie. She is such the perfect choice for this role of a smart, head-strong teen, who wants to connect with her father.


In DADNAPPED, Melissa has to compete for her father's attention with Tripp Zoome, a fictional teen character who is the "star" of her dad's action/spy books. Once a bunch of teen fans take her father as a goof - it's up to Melissa to find a way to get him back.

I can totally see Emily playing the part and am so glad about her choice to "be" Melissa.


In other news: I've had lots of requests for links to these two animations - so here ya go!

As I sit staring at my backyard where several leaves have the nerve to change colors already - I have good news.

My Disney Channel movie (no, not High School Musical: The Musical) is in pre-production, which for any non-film folks out there means the director and his minions of hard-working crew folk are on location in Utah gearing up for the actual shoot which will happen starting mid-October.

WOW! I'm very excited that this idea I had over 10 years ago is now (numerous rewrites later) actually getting made. Sadly, the title DADNAPPED has to change and I'm resigned to it, though have no good alternative title yet.

They might still need extras - so if you're in Utah, check it out!

On the writing front: I've just sent my amazing agent Jill Grinberg five chapters of something "new" and top secret! I value her input and hope to be able to tell everyone about it soon.

And - I'm gearing up for my big Texas trip, which is also scheduled for mid-October. I'll be visiting the CyFair school district for two solid weeks of author-silliness, and with the exception of missing my family, it promises to be a blast!

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