Once again your advice is both common-sense and brilliance. Thanks for the tips. I don't generally edit, except for my own work, but I think this is a must-read article for anyone who does!

Everything is better with Space monkeys. :-)

Great tips, as always. Especially the part about finding out what the writer is looking to get from your feedback in the first place.

Wonderful list! Will you edit my novel? ;)

Love this list. I was trying to pick my favorite points made, but it turned out to be all of them. This is all so true.

I love this post. I want to give it a hug. If everyone followed this advice, critique circles would be a better place!

Great advice! Thanks! Space monkeys . . . that's what my WIP needs.

Thanks - Our writing group is dealing with just those problems.

Very interesting and useful editing tips.

I enjoyed this; thanks for posting it. The advice is great, especially about not getting tied up in line editing.

"Fragile, mercurial, reptilian writer brain!" LOL! We are a strange breed I suppose. :)

Great post, thank you!!

Great advice!

I'd say #5 is not necessarily always true, though. One of my favorite things to do with my crit partners is to sit down and talk about what's not working and brainstorm ideas. I spent more than an hour with one partner last night and he helped me come up with some great ideas that I may not have considered on my own. This is for a project I'm going into draft #3 on, and he's only read 98% of the 1st draft, but was given a chapter outline of draft #2.

I find this "offering of solutions" has been one of the things that has most strengthened my stories in the past--both novel-length and shorts.

Of course, the writer has to be willing to accept this kind of criticism, and open to the discussion. Otherwise, it's not doing anyone any good--either the writer or the critter.

But what does one do for manuscripts that need much more than "editing?" The biggest problem I have is with manuscripts that seem to have been written by 3rd-graders.

How does one gently explain, "You really need to spend a number of months in Remedial English courses before you're going to be ready to write?"

The best I've come up with is, "You're going to self-publish this, right?"

Great tips. I was looking forward to this post and was not disappointed.

On this general topic, you might enjoy (or be horrified by) Jack London's letter to a young, aspiring author who'd apparently made the mistake of sending JL a story in hopes of getting feedback.

It's at today's post on the Letters of Note blog (with which I have no affiliation, btw).

And now that I'm thinking about it, you might could do a companion post here, along the lines of "Ten Commandments for Asking Someone Else with Editing Help."

First of all, I've never worked with an actual professional editor (well, unless you count Bryan, but I wasn't paying him, so I don't), but I think all your points apply just as well to critiquing another writer's work before it gets to an editor.

In that sense, there's a thin line between a great critique, a good one, and a terrible one. I've received all three, and probably given them out myself, as well.

This is why I don't edit more than a short sample, and that only when it's posted on a public forum.

I tend to assume people want a "hard" critique if they're asking for editing assistance. I'm a proud wielder of the Red Pen of Doom (Dooooooooooooooooom!), and apply it often. It's best that this happen when other, softer opinions are at hand.

Nathan, Great guidelines that should be posted next to the monitor of every editor out there.
Boiling it all down: "It's not your book, it's his/hers. Don't rewrite it. Just suggest ways to make it work."
Thanks for sharing.

This is a great list to share with any writing group, as well as those well-meaning friends and family who "really really want to read what you've written" and don't quite understand what it means to truly edit a person's work.

I've found that each time I critique another writer's work, it makes my own writing stronger. It's a great exercise to shift gears from the creator to the purely objective editor.

Great advice!

You'd be amazed at how many writers thank me for telling them their writing sucks and exactly where they can go to learn how to write well.

I'm going to disagree with #5, too. Just saying "This line doesn't work" or "This para is confusing" is too vague. People often won't understand your point even if you explain 'why.' They often need an example. I like receiving suggestions and just rewrite them my own way.

Also, there's always the option of gracefully bowing out if it's just too awful. I've had to do that several times.

I don't think the fact that some writers are polite in the face of rude or harsh critiques justifies that approach. Some people can handle harsh critiques. Just about everyone can handle polite critiques. I don't see the place for rudeness. What is gained?

I have found that clients with no clue about how to write an effective story need honest and kind feedback with specific focal points. They also need encouragement and congratulations for sticking themselves out there. Another great post, Nathan; I appreciate your diligence.

I had started writing a comment, but then I realized it would be much too long. So to not clog up the comments on this post, I wrote up my own, where I included 2 additional commandments I've learned over the years working professionally as an editor.

11. Do not edit to make yourself look or feel superior.
11a. Do not talk down to the author.

12. Be a coach, but also a cheerleader.

They're explained in more depth here:
http://michellewittebooks.com/2012/04/12commandments/

But I have to say that Nathan makes excellent points, something writers should consider whenever they take a red pen to someone else's work. When we edit, it's not about us; it's about the person we're trying to help.

These are virtually the exact same things I teach my middle school students when we begin peer editing. All things that are easier said than done. Editing is hard.

Every scene is lacking in space monkeys. Even the scenes with space monkeys don't have enough space monkeys.

These are great points! I'm so thankful to be in a critique group that is really focused on these important steps.

Thank you so much for these! I wish my former professional critiquer had read them. She was so disparaging that I couldn't put another word on paper for two years. Even now, the thought of letting anyone else read my work is so fraught with anxiety, I break into a cold sweat.

I think at least a few of these could double as relationship advice. Like helping to figure out what's wrong but not saying "Here's the solution."

Yeah.

Perfect!

Again... perfect timing!

Thanks so much for articulating how I feel about editing.
My favorite is #1: It's not your book.
I resent most those people that tell you what to do in your story and take it personally if you don't do it.

And everyone should listen to Nathan, as he's rather good at this whole editing thing.

Good advice, and I am happy to say that the individual who has edited most of my work over the years has displayed the ideals you outline. And if this were a voting post, I'd say #1 is the most important.

I just got done editing a screenplay for someone who wants to collaborate with me on his next one. I treated it as an interview. Your commandments reassured me because it seems that if he is of the same mindset, I did well. Thanks. I needed this.

Thanks for such a concise post. The advice is great, as always!

TERRIFIC STUFF! I am saving these as helpful reminders to me as I go through clients' manuscripts. Sometimes it can be rather difficult NOT to get my grubby little creative ideas all over their story because I'm a writer too. Their story, not mine.

Thanks, Nathan. :)

And how about: It's not your book + it's not about you and your edit.

I've run into a couple of people in critique groups who like to get on their soapbox while critiquing a person's work - most of their comments are turned around to focus on them, instead of the author.

(Example, "I didn't like your paragraph because I've read extensively that pigs really do fly, and I think that I have more knowledge than you do about pig flying, and I would much rather read about fish riding bicycles.")

Hello, it's not all about you, critique buddy. :-)

Great post! Once again, you've hit it out of the ballpark.

I would expand number nine to say that if you can't separate your personal taste from your evaluation, then don't edit someone else's work. It really doesn't help the writer if your personal taste is coloring your evaluation.

I'll use Twilight to illustrate my point. I've only read the first few chapters of Twilight, but that was enough for me to see that Meyer can write compelling prose. I stopped reading it because the story wasn't to my personal taste. That doesn't make her writing crap. She is a talented writer. Sparkly vampires or the other things people complain about don't negate that quality.

If you don't see how I can say that, then you probably aren't separating your personal taste from your evaluation of the story.

Love it or hate it, you can actually do more harm than good if your personal taste is coloring your evaluation of a story you're editing. Hate it and you're going to say it's flawed. Love it and you may miss those correctable problems with the story. I've observed this happening many times. It really doesn't help the writer.

Your article has come in good time. I'm looking for an Editor.

Just had to comment that you've nailed it in #6.

Space monkeys. Now I realize what's often missing.

(Have to read how you handle them, since it's got to be at least as amusing as sneaking them into this list.)

Right on with number 4. I had a reader once tell me that she disliked my book so much she wouldn't make it past the first page if she picked it up at the library. Crushing.

Great post! I think a lot of issues can be resolved if the author and editor sit down ahead of time and hash out what the author is hoping for from the edit. (Analysis of whether the structure is working? Line edits?) I've definitely had an experience before where an editor was overly helpful, suggesting some frankly odd line edits when I'd made clear that the draft was very rough and I just wanted to know if the story was cohesive. I think in that case another editor no-no was in play: over-editing another's work to make you feel better about your own. Don't edit if you're going to do that!

Amen!

Best advice I've seen on this subject. I'll be sharing it -- a lot! :)

I've edited a lot of nonfiction books and a few novels, and your tips here are solid, Nathan. I do occasionally insert full rewrites of a sentence with the comment of "Might something like this work better?" or something along those lines. But that question is positioned in the larger sense of inviting the writer to consider their own approach.

But most of the time where a phrasing is awkward or an idea is in need of deeper development, I simply suggest that the material in question be examined as whether it's the right construction for that context. There's never a place for rudeness or baseless criticism.

Thanks for your consistent good stuff!

This is nice, Nathan. I think I'll use this with my creative writing class next year (kids).

EXCELLENT advice, Nathan. This is good info. to pass on to any writing groups with which we may be associated also.

I want to print this out and hand it to my professor. :P Especially #1, #4, and #9.

You know it's a fine line to walk. I was very involved with a crit partner, pages flowing back and forth. It was difficult not to 'take over.' I was itching to take the story somewhere else, veer off in another direction.
Can't do it! Resist the urge. You are so right. It's their story! Always respect that, and yeah, we all make mistakes along the way. Say too much, too little, but we do learn! I think I have anyway! : )

Nathan,

GREAT POST! Will be back to read more.

Just found your blog, and am now a a follower. But not in a binoculars and night-vision goggles sorta way. That you know of.

best,
MOV
http://mothersofbrothersblog.blogspot.com

I think that fiction writing teachers who lead workshops should distribute your list to their students. When I took a fiction writing class for the first time back when I was only about 20 or so, I remember how negative and overly critical some of the other students were. I know that the stories I wrote back then weren't very good, but the fact that some of those students never gave anything but mean-spirited criticism was very discouraging. I even stopped writing for a while after that, but I couldn't stay away from writing for too long.

This is terrific.

When you were an agent, the main reason I was dying to work with you is your mad editing skills. You are a really gifted editor, and I think that comes not only from your writing talent, but from your insightful and empathic understanding of an editor's role.

Thank you for sharing that insight! And I hope someday, if it's something you'd enjoy, that you'll be in a place where you're sharing those skills again, because a really great editor is priceless! :)

Amazing stuff, Nathan! Shared with my critique group and solid points we could all learn from. Though, regarding point #5, whenever I'm stuck for a story/plot idea or direction to take a scene, brainstorming's the best thing I've ever engaged in. As usual, awesome points all. Thank you for sharing.

Good advice. Thanks for sharing it. How long have you been an editor and what is your favorite part of the job?

Lynn
www.writeradvice.com

Well this is sure useful for me, especially since it's the sort of business I'd like to end up doing for the rest of my life. I agree with these rules here, being positive, refraining from giving bias opinions, etc... thanks for sharing :)

Fantastic. This is how I will build my critiquing in all my spheres of influence. Bravo.

Since I'm starting a new SCBWI critique group for my county which has never had a children's writers' group before, I may send the members this link. One woman already posted on her blog how scared she was. I don't want her to be scared. I still remember how scared I was at my first meeting. I found a group that included the Wicked Witch of critics. Lucky for me, Prince Charming attended that day.

Oh, no, captchas! I can't read them so I got rid of mine, and not a single spam has made it through to my blog since. I see the emails so I know they're trying.

Aaah, if only I knew then what I know now. Thanks, Nathan. :)

I enjoy editing but I like it even better when a good editor works on my writing. I have a story in an anthology about NYC and the editor reduced the length of my story considerably but what she did was exceptional. It was as if she extracted a vein and set it out perfectly. I regard it as a privilege when my work is in the hands of a great editor.

Great list, Nathan! Your points #5-7 are particularly brilliant and very true in my experience. Congrats on your launch week!

This is the best post I've seen by you.

And the last two sentences say it all. I love this. Thank you.

Thanks, Nathan! That'll be so useful for the workshop I agreed to help with later this year. I was really keeping an eye out for a post with this kind of advice!

Nathan,

I believe the hardest part of having your work edited is: finding a good editor for your genre. Not easy to do.

Good post, thank you.

Nathan, thanks once again for a great post.
As an author, and sometime editor, let me suggest to all authors who would like their work critted by another sentient being: apropos of number two, make it clear what you're looking for in the edit; don't leave it up to the mental vibes rising from the pages (or screen) to carry that information to the editor.

Space monkeys rule! (Now to fit them back into my YA adventure...)

Well said! I've been struggling with this in my own Writing Group because I don't really know how to separate myself from what I'm reading. It gets easier each time and I am learning so much about writing in general. I think, just like writing, good critiquing comes from practice.

I also disagree with Rule 5 (Pointing out problem areas is much more useful than offering solutions). As an example, one friend I edit for specifically commented that she liked my editing because I didn’t just pick up the errors, but I suggested ways for her to make it better.

So, I suppose that there are times where Rule 9 (Remember that personal taste is personal) might conflict with the others, but if I’ve followed Rule 2 (Find out what the author is looking for), then we will both be on the same page anyway.

Very useful!

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Thank you for saying this!!!!!

Your first point is my 'editing bible,' and something I have floating in the ticker-tape in front of me as I critique.
An editor who rearranges words and thinks it's fine to ignore that thing called 'voice' is worse than none.
And all the rest of your points are solid too. This comment thread is filled with folks who wish they had you back when you did that agenting gig. Good luck, Author!

Thanks for this excellent post - I need to keep ALL of these in mind as I critique/edit. New follower!

Great Post!