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Sara: These are both great topics for workshops and I would definitely be more interested in them than picking lint off my pants (although in my case, it would be dog hair).

Workshop #2 is the more intriquing to me on a personal level. Here's a little anecdote about perhaps being better suited to one genre over another. About six years ago I decided to break outside my genre box and write a picture book. I've never tried to write one before. It was set in a little motel in the Smoky Mountains - with an old lady and a couple of kids. It was a decent, so-so pb. My editor called it "most promising" (which, as we writers knows - means "good but needs a lot of work".

She went on to say "But there's something that keeps it from being exactly right. It may have been that feeling that prompted you to wonder if it needed "more meat" I've read it many times over and am not convinced that I can put my finger on the precise problem."

Hmmmm. So I pulled that manuscript out and stared at it and stared at it and was totally completely 100% frozen. I could not change one word of it.

I let it simmer for a while and then I eventually had my eureka moment. The problem with the pb ms was that I knew so much more about the characters. And I knew in my heart that there was much more to their story. I knew that the pb was only one thin layer of the story I wanted to write.

So I sat down and turned that pb into a mid grade novel - which became GREETINGS FROM NOWHERE.

I confess that at first I felt that I had failed in some sense - that I had proven that I was unable to write a picture book. But then I came to my senses and realized that I was writing what I needed to write and that didn't mean that I still can't write a picture book.

Sorry this is so long - but it's just personal experience with knowing the difference between writing what you THINK you want to write and writing what you really NEED to write.

And as for writing to market - I used to never think about that at all - but now my self-censor devil rears his ugly head sometimes and makes me write differently than my heart wants to.

http://greetings-from-nowhere.blogspot.com/2007/07/oh-to-be-young-and-dumb-again.html

Sorry this is so long!!! You got me thinking too much!
Barbara O'C

Barbara, this is great! Not too long at all. I may have to quote you on the tale of the Picture Book that Wasn't.

I do think that we approach our stories from many avenues, and if Greetings From Nowhere came up the picture book path, then that's the way it needed to get there. It might have lost its way if it had tried the route your other novels had taken. I sometimes write what I think are going to be play scripts, but later turn out to be fleshed out scenes of dialog. And I have a poem that is morphing into a picture book (I think.)

I think one of the reasons revision is so necessary is that stories resist our attempts to put them in boxes. They insist that we revise the words we used to tell them so that their true shape can be seen, even if that means the writer is working in the dark at first.

Sara- Regarding #2 and strategy: this is thought provoking, because I recently had an experience similar to what Barbara described.

I'd been working on a new PB story for a while and was running up against a brick wall with the pictures because I had too much text, and not enough room for illustrations. I decided there was enough backstory to try to expand the story into an early chapter book. (Mind you, I'd never written one before, but it had been in the back of my mind to try!)

So, I began, and was fairly pleased with how it was going... until I realized that it was a completely different story from the PB version. Not better, not worse, just different.

In the end I decided to go back to the PB version, because that's the story I wanted to tell. I'll still go back and try a chapter book at some point-- but with a new story. At least now I know I can do it.

So I guess for me the bottom line is-- it's good to stretch yourself and try something a few different ways, but-- which genre best suits the story you want to tell?

As far as writing to the market-- I'm still struggling with that one! Maybe a good solution would be to write what you can, but go back during revisions and see if there is a way to make it more marketable. Ugh, that's tough sometimes!

Wish I lived closer-- I'm sure you'll be smashing!

Aye-- I meant to say-- similar experience to Barbara's, but with opposite outcome.

Uh oh... neurotic-writer mode kicking in! :-)

I would find both workshops interesting. I recently had a similar experience to Barbara's -- a picture book conceived many years ago, the feedback was that the idea was good, but there should be more -- so I made it into an early chapter book. It felt so liberating to have actual chapters to stretch myself out in!

The novel is a form that still intimidates me, so I would probably hang on your every word, especially cued in about creating scenes to form a good story arc, with emotional and action plots.
I would also be interested in different novel forms --as in epistolary and verse, and to hear as much as possible about character development.
I think you're going to be smashing!!

Go, Sara! Go Sara! How awesome! Those all sound AMAZING. I have no experience doing anything other than teaching freshman writing students, but this sounds amazing! I'll think about it and let you know if I come up with something you might include...

So, workshop 2. Here's my little slice o' life tale: After I sold my first picture book (very easily and quickly) I began to really think about what I ought to do to follow up that sale with another. And I thought and thought and wrote and wrote. From head, not from gut. I wrote what I thought I needed to write in order to sell. I read gadzillions of picture books and I wrote straight-forward narrative tales that were almost all solid enough to get very nice and encouraging letters from fabulous editors, with invitations to send more. But they didn't get sold. Not a one. Until one of my less traditional, straight-forward little pieces that I originally wrote in a rush in the middle of the night DID SELL. To my dream editor. Who said she wanted to see everything. And I sent her all the stuff that hadn't sold and she didn't buy it either. It was really good, she said, but not transcendent. "I think," she said, "that what you're really good at is lyric, sound, image, the turn of a phrase, rhyme, rhythm, yadda yadda." Oh. Duh. So NOT plot, character and conflict. Right. So I stopped writing what I thought I needed to write in order to sell, and I started to write what came to me in the middle of the night (even though I then have to work very hard at it by day) and lo and behold, the next one sold. And now I'm working on a third. And the lesson to me is to write what needs to be written intuitively. To create by gut, not marketplace. To be true to my own creative urges because those are the ones that read true on the page...

You sound like you've really got this into a good place!!! The thing is, the kids will have some ideas/input too. I look forward to hearing more of your adventure. What fun!

Nice pencils! I want some! Are you selling?!

Nick, I'll email you.

If anyone's interested in having their own pencils made, I had them printed at Write On Pencils. There are cheaper places, but I liked the quality of these.

I L-O-V-E, LOVE a newly sharpened pencil. There is something magical that takes place when holding one.

I still remember the movie "You've Got Mail" and her description of a bouquet of freshly sharpened pencils.

I had some pencils made at Write on Pencils. They say "Gekkards Rule!" and the kids love em. Thanks for recommending Sara.

Joey, I was wondering if you'd ordered some. They sound fun and I bet the kids you visit love them!

GREAT idea! I am helping out in January with a writing workshop with a group of 5th graders. This workshop is for the kids that the
5th grade teachers have targeted as needing help with their writing. I am meeting with the assistant principal on Monday about this, so I am going to bring up your pencil idea - I think the kids would really connect with something tangible like a pencil to help the THINK before they WRITE.

The pencils are beautiful! Can't wait to hear about this. Good luck!