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Comics-savvy (aren’t they all?) movie beat reporter Borys Kit has a succinct wrap-up, of lessons to be learned from the Green Lantern experience — one that seems to have been a harsh one for DC execs. Barely a word about the movie has been tweeted or blogged since the opening — an exception being Jim Lee who tweeted a contest to win this sweet Kilowog sketch — And they are many; a sequel–already in the writing stages — was supposed to have been greenlit if the film did over $60 million, but the $53 opening and bad word of mouth may have stopped that.
Kit suggests that comic book movies based on a singular vision tend to do better — something GL did not have:
In contrast, critics pounced on the generic, paint-by-numbers feel of the Lantern movie, which played like dozens of people were in control. And they were. In addition to director Martin Campbell, producer Donald De Line and DC executive Johns, four separate screenwriters were credited, and insiders say that even Warners execs Jeff Robinov, Greg Silverman and Lynn Harris were heavily involved, especially in the editing stage.
Another problem for the movie was the decision to put in more special effects:
Plus, Warners underestimated the scope of the special effects, whose costs began to skyrocket when it was decided that the Green Lantern suit would be created digitally. The complex effects work, combined with the decision to convert the film to 3D, added months to the production schedule, preventing early marketing and test screenings, which could have helped to hone the film.
There’s also the entire Warners culture as it related to DC movies:
At Warners, it’s the studio division that says yes or no to DC projects, and it can change them up however it sees fit. Last summer’s Jonah Hex was a box-office disaster, and even Warners’ quasi-DC movies Watchmen and V for Vendetta failed to lure more than hard-core fanboys. You don’t have to be a geek to make these movies, but you need to know what geeks like and, more importantly, how to translate that into accessible themes.
While the Christopher Nolan Batman movies remain one of Warner’s biggest triumphs, they’re still casting around for a way to expand that franchise. Luckily, the Bruce Timm empire in animation has been quietly keeping these characters alive on the small screen for decades. What that still going strong, there’s hope for the DC heroes yet.
17 Comments on More finger pointing emerges in Green Lantern fail, last added: 6/24/2011
I’m not sure what the big deal is about Green Lantern. It was a kind of middle ground movie. Yes, it did feel like a movie by committee. Yes, it was pretty mediocre. But I don’t know where all the hate for the movie is coming from. People saying it was ruined and is the worst movie ever made. It just seems like this decent enough movie became the victim of some infinite feedback loop where all the film critics’ clever little built upon each other as they tried to be more clever than the last guy.
All very silly to me.
Todd said, on 6/24/2011 11:50:00 AM
It is my understanding that Nolan has a deal that exempts him from getting studio notes. If it’s true, it explains everything in one sentence.
Stuart T said, on 6/24/2011 11:56:00 AM
XMFC credited 4-5 screenwriters as well. Maybe Vaughn simply benefited from the short production time limiting studio interference.
Shawn Kane said, on 6/24/2011 12:02:00 PM
I saw the movie Monday night and enjoyed it. At the end of the day, isn’t that what a movie is supposed to do?
Alexa said, on 6/24/2011 12:08:00 PM
@Stuart T, yes, but one of those screenwriters was the director, and another was his usual writing partner, so there was more cohesion of vision.
Michael boyce said, on 6/24/2011 12:11:00 PM
I liked it better than Thor by a mile.
Joseph said, on 6/24/2011 12:11:00 PM
XMFC had 4-5 credited screenwriters, but Vaughn/Goldman have said they basically reworked the entire screenplay from scratch when they came on. Nolan obviously has his own WB fiefdom, I can’t imagine any execs are sticking their hands in his films.
I agree GL was a perfectly serviceable superhero film, nowhere near as good as the first X-Men but, like that film, had enough promise to indicate a sequel could be significantly better and more successful. I haven’t seen anyone calling it “the worst movie ever made”, or anything close to that. I do believe the filmmakers and DC people have made a mistake by apparently disowning the film so quickly, giving the impression it’s a Catwoman-level disaster when it clearly isn’t.
The Beat said, on 6/24/2011 12:23:00 PM
Re XMFC: Vaughn and Goldman were clearly engaged with the source material and Vaughn’s many intelligent comments on the film show that it was a movie he wanted to make.
OTOH, Martin Campbell’s comments are almost laughably vague: Yes i made a movie! Ryan Reynolds played Green Lantern!
He’s a fine craftsman but this was not his boyhood vision.
ALSO, I’ll tell you where it went off the rails. When the first trailer with Reynolds playing the hot guy with his shirt off, the fanboys cried foul and oh no this is not our Hal!
Warners reacted and started slanting all their materials to the fanboy audience, not realizing that the ONE audience that would go opening weekend was the hardcore, thus shutting out the outliers who might have edged it over the $60 million mark.
None of this is Hollywood rocket science. It’s all a known outlier. Aim for the broad target and the hardcore will follow.
Warners execs continue to confound me. Perhaps they need to hire away someone from Marvel Studios!
Wesley Smith said, on 6/24/2011 12:40:00 PM
@Shawn Kane:
“At the end of the day, isn’t that what a movie is supposed to do?”
Nope. At the end of the day, movies are there to make money for it’s producers. No matter how popular or even how good a movie is, if it doesn’t record a profit after marketing, it’s still considered a flop.
I haven’t seen the movie yet, so I can’t comment on it’s quality, but I will say that I decided that this probably wouldn’t be my cup of tea the first time I saw Ryan Reynolds in the CGI golf ball suit. And that’s too bad, because I’ve been a fan of Reynolds since his TV days.
Movies created by committe–especially licensed movies like this–are almost uniformly bad. Even if a movie is a big budget paint-by-numbers set like Avatar or a mess like the Star Wars prequels, at least Cameron and Lucas were following their visions for those movies and they had character.
The result is that these DC-based movies often end up being neither fish nor fowl, not following the formula that made these characters succeed to begin with, and not having a single strong hand to guide them. They smack of a bunch of suits in a conference room dictating what the audience will want.
It almost never works. In fact, it usually fails quite spectacularly.
Now that I think about it, this is the same sort of misgiving I have of DCnU (ugh, I hate that nickname). Some of the lines have been virtually untouched, while the changes to most all of the others feel like they were tacked together with canvas and baling wire by Didio, Johns and Lee in a secluded cabin in the Appalachian Mountains.
(Sorry if I veered off topic there at the end. It just occurred to me.)
alistair said, on 6/24/2011 12:46:00 PM
I think the fact that Marvel have a deal of control over their movies, after many false starts ( Corman’s FF, The original Captain America and the ill conceived Spider-Man TV series anyone?), even those that are still in the hands of other studios like Fox and Sony, has a great deal to do with it. What happened with the DC characters was that Warners suddenly realised-too late perhaps- that they had this nerdy little company that was generating a decent profit with its comic-books and animation, and then jumped in with their collective corporate feet together. Lack of singular vision is the key here, as Kit so ably pointed out.
Carl Watkins said, on 6/24/2011 12:54:00 PM
@Joseph
Actually, Mark Millar said, and I quote, “I hereby declare Green Lantern the worst superhero movie ever made. And yes I count The Phantom and The Shadow as superhero movies.”
He then went on to say he would see it again because it was only 8 quid…
Deaf65 said, on 6/24/2011 12:56:00 PM
I watched the movie and I enjoyed it. Gave it a 7.5 out of 10 but felt that it was a little shallow and could have focused on more character depth of Hal Jordan and more training scenes between Hal and Kilwog. Hopefully, that would be expanded in the 2nd movie if they decide to make one.
Ron Thibodeau said, on 6/24/2011 1:07:00 PM
The Beat says:
‘ALSO, I’ll tell you where it went off the rails. When the first trailer with Reynolds playing the hot guy with his shirt off, the fanboys cried foul and oh no this is not our Hal! ”
I thought the ’shirtless’ Thor was a great selling point in the trailer. You already have the comic geek audience, so show a little skin to get the girls and the gays.
Thor turned me on. Green Lantern, not so much.
GameCouch said, on 6/24/2011 1:14:00 PM
If they wanted Green Lantern to make money, they should have made it five years ago with Will Smith as the lead.
Wesley Smith said, on 6/24/2011 1:26:00 PM
I don’t think that a shirtless Ryan Reynolds was bad, necessarily. Hal is the kind of guy who would go around with his shirt off more often if he could. I just couldn’t (and can’t) see Reynolds as Hal. I could see him as Flash (Wally, specifically) a lot more easily.
I wish they could have found a way to bring Guy and John in. Cuba Gooding Jr. as John and Justin Timberlake as Guy… that I would have paid money for.
Dave said, on 6/24/2011 2:11:00 PM
So Millar thinks Green Lantern is the worst superhero movie ever made? Guess he doesn’t consider Kick-Ass or Wanted to be superhero movies.
Joseph said, on 6/24/2011 2:19:00 PM
Yeah, with Millar everything is either the “best” (anything he does) or “worst” (everything else) so I was discounting his opinion. No one else has suggested GL is the worst movie (superhero or otherwise) ever.
The film may be this summer’s biggest evidence for Superhero Fatigue, but Green Lantern isn’t going away, oh no. He’ll star, as planned, in GREEN LANTERN: THE ANIMATED SERIES on the Cartoon Network this fall. A new trailer was just released and you can download some wallpaper. The show is produced by Bruce Timm in a 3D animated style much influenced by THE INCREDIBLES, and features Hal (Josh Keaton), Killowog (Michael Clarke Duncan) and others going up against Red Lanterns.
Just as a follow-up to yesterday’s look at DC Entertainment, while live-action has been hit or (very) miss for WB, DC characters continue to do well in animated form, both on cable and direct-to-dvd movies. These are still valuable franchises.
18 Comments on Green Lantern returns in cartoon form, last added: 6/21/2011
The standard of the animation looks poor – like the sort of thing they were churning out about five-ten years ago – was this done on the cheap?
Rafael K said, on 6/21/2011 5:48:00 AM
This animated trailer is already better than the live action film.
Mikael said, on 6/21/2011 6:03:00 AM
There is no superhero fatigue. The average audience member just don’t wanna go see a bad movie featuring a character they don’t know. The final Batman movie will prove this.
Basque said, on 6/21/2011 6:37:00 AM
I’m sure my nephew will be all over that series. Looks great for the kids, which is the intended audience.
Although I’m really surprised the Red Lanterns are going to be part of this? Are they going to vomit blood like in the comics? I don’t understand why they would pick some of the most violent and disgusting characters in the DCU to include in a kids show.
RY33 said, on 6/21/2011 7:27:00 AM
I hope Cartoon Network treats this better than they did the Justice League cartoon. They kept ordering seasons of that and then running it so sporadically you never knew it was on.
Justin H. said, on 6/21/2011 8:07:00 AM
heck, they’re still doing that with the Brave and the Bold, which is a real shame.
Spike said, on 6/21/2011 8:44:00 AM
They should have released the cartoon first and maybe then the movie could have made more sense to people. Still be a bad movie…but might make it a little easier to swallow
KET said, on 6/21/2011 9:38:00 AM
I wouldn’t be too surprised if CN runs this show inconsistently during inconvenient time slots. This seems to be their usual M.O. for DC animated fare for several years now.
Cat Eldridge said, on 6/21/2011 10:01:00 AM
However you can buy, for a quite reasonable price, entire seasons of DCU shows, on iTunes. I’ve got season passes to Brave & Bold and Young Jusitce right now, and also the new season of Doctor Who.
No commercials, superb definition, and downloaded by iTunes when they’re available. Bliss!
rich said, on 6/21/2011 10:25:00 AM
Green Lantern: The Animated Series … Why can’t they just call it “Green Lantern”?
“The average audience member just don’t wanna go see a bad movie featuring a character they don’t know.”
This doesn’t make any sense, and never did. If people don’t want to see a movie featuring characters they never heard of, how did STAR WARS and RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK become mega-hits? Obviously, someone saw the trailers and thought they looked good.
Does anyone really need to KNOW Green Lantern prior to seeing a movie? If the trailer looks interesting, people will see it. If it doesn’t, they won’t.
KET said, on 6/21/2011 10:46:00 AM
“how did STAR WARS and RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK become mega-hits? Obviously, someone saw the trailers and thought they looked good.”
Actually, this is untrue. STAR WARS became a cultural touchstone over the course of an entire year or so from audience word-of-mouth. RAIDERS became an overnight hit because people were already aware of the already earned pedigrees of Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, who seemed to be promising an homage to old fashioned movie serials. I never saw the trailer for RAIDERS, and yet I was first in line at my local cinema on opening day.
Jeff P. said, on 6/21/2011 10:47:00 AM
This trailer looks like it’s for a bad video game.
Keyser said, on 6/21/2011 2:21:00 PM
There is something about this CGI animation that turns me away. If it’s not Pixar, it just looks cold and lifeless with no soul to it like that terrible MTV Spider-Man cartoon. Kids may like it but clunky animation like this looks like the newer CGI Strawberry Shortcake and Mickey Mouse Clubhouse stuff and is stiff. I’d rather this be 2D instead.
Kate Fitzsimons said, on 6/21/2011 2:25:00 PM
Rich, the key word is bad movie. I haven’t seen it yet, and I do intend to, but the word of mouth is bad and the trailers didn’t do it for a lot of people. You can have a well-marketed and well-made movie without a big name and people will go (Iron Man) or a well-marketed and mediocrely made movie with a big name and people will go, but mediocrely made without a big name? This is not a recipe for success.
Indiana Jones and the original Star Wars had the singular advantage of being mind-numbingly awesome.
Dan Rodriguez @ Blue Pepper Comics said, on 6/21/2011 4:08:00 PM
“Actually, this is untrue. STAR WARS became a cultural touchstone over the course of an entire year or so from audience word-of-mouth.”
Sorry to go off topic, but this is false. Star Wars is pretty well known for being an instant hit. According to wikipedia:
“It immediately broke box-office records, effectively becoming one of the first blockbuster films, and Fox accelerated plans to broaden its release. Lucas spent most of the day in a sound studio in Los Angeles. When he went out for lunch with his then-wife Marcia, they encountered a long queue of people along the sidewalks leading to Mann’s Chinese Theatre, waiting to see Star Wars. Even technical crew members, such as model makers, were asked for autographs, and cast members became instant household names.”
I can’t speak for Green Lantern as I haven’t seen it, but I don’t think audiences have a problem with new characters. It’s just a higher risk for the studio.
The Beat said, on 6/21/2011 4:21:00 PM
As someone who saw Star Wars in the movie theater as a kid….yes it was absolutely a SENSATION right from the git go. My family was talking about seeing it weeks ahead of time and were counting the minutes until we could go. And the toys and phenomenon launched IMEDIATELY.
Same thing with RAIDERS. My grandfather couldn’t wait to see it.
Bear in mind, at this time there was little cable of home video, so people had fewer choices. If something new and interesting opened at the theater and got good reviews, they would go see it. It isn’t like now where “pre-awareness” is what you need to cut through the chatter.
Cary Coatney said, on 6/21/2011 8:14:00 PM
Heck when I was thirteen- I hitchhiked 10 miles on Rt 287 from my house to a theater in Morristown to see Star Wars on opening weekend- all because my stepdad refused to drive me there unless I got a haircut.
I sure showed him who was boss.
~
Coat
Cary Coatney said, on 6/21/2011 8:17:00 PM
Smells like Star Wars: The Clone Wars teen spirit to me.
You know both shows are just begging to be paired up back to back.
There are a lot of Green Lantern merch tie-ins out there, and here’s a cool one, a Hex sport watch band suitable for ipod Nano. It isn’t actually a Green Lantern licensed product…but it’s the right color. You can win this or a pair of tickets to see Green Lantern by going to the ShopHex Facebook page and answering some questions. Today’s quiz: “IF YOUR HEX WATCH COULD GIVE YOU ANY SUPERPOWER, WHAT WOULD IT BE?”
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Here are several new publications that were sent my way during the past month that I think Cartoon Brew readers will like, or love, or at worst you should be aware they exist:
100 Animated Feature Films by Andrew Osmond (BFI/Palgrave Macmillan) is a great read. The animated feature is just coming into its own after decades of following one vision – that of the Walt Disney studio. Now that there are several strong voices to emerge in this medium, British film journalist Osmond has rounded up one hundred notable international animated features, studio and independent, to discuss, compare and contrast. This isn’t a “best-of” list, but a representative selection of worthwhile films culled from the first ninety five years of full-length animated movies. An important book for students of animation history – and anyone wanting to read intelligent commentary on where the field has come, and where its headed.
The Art of Kung Fu Panda 2 by Tracey Miller-Zarneke (Insight Editions). Whatever your opinion of Kung Fu Panda 2, one thing is undeniable: the artwork, art direction, character designs, color keys and all things visual are simply superb. Just based on “looks” this may be the best animated film of the year. We’ll see, but in the meantime Tracey Miller-Zarneke’s book lays it all out and gives credit where credit is due. Raymond Zibach, Nicholas Marlet, and Bill Kaufman are among the dozens of artists work given the lavish “art-book” treatment here – and their work deserves it. And you deserve to own this souvenir of Dreamworks’ summer blockbuster.
Archie: A Celebration of America’s Favorite Teenagers by Craig Yoe, designed by Clizia Gussoni (IDW Publishing). Do we really need another book about Archie? The answer is YES, if Yoe and his wife Clizia are behind it. There’s been several recent compilation volumes devoted to Archie comics, from Dark Horse, IDW and Archie Publications itself, but this is THE BEST one. This is actually the only book about Archie you really need, as it covers everything about the Riverdale characters, their origins, the artists, writers, the nooks and crannies, including the coolest, rarest art, promotional pieces, photographs… the whole shebang! Yoe has a great chapter about Archie on radio, TV and animated cartoons, another highlighting oddball Archie merchandising – and in another part of the book, he offers a rare printing, off the original art, of the unpublished 1952 Andy Andrews, a serious detective story featuring Archie’s previously unknown cousin! It’s one of those books (like my Hanna Barbera Treasury) that you need to see – and when you see it, you’ll buy it. I love this book – take it from me, it’s really great. Highly Recommended!Add a Comment
It’s getting very green around here. SF’s Cartoon Art Museum has a gala opening for a Green Lantern exhibit on Thursday, June 9th — it’s a “green tie” event we’re told. We want in on that!
“In brightest day, in darkest night, no evil shall escape my sight! Let those who worship evil’s might beware my power—Green Lantern’s light!” Just in time for Green Lantern’s theatrical debut, the Cartoon Art Museum is presenting the first museum exhibition celebrating 70 years of DC Comics’ Emerald Knight! Over 60 pieces of original artwork will be on display, featuring highlights from some of the most celebrated artists in Green Lantern’s publishing history Iconic works by Silver Age artists Gil Kane and Neal Adams will be exhibited, along with classic stories and covers by Joe Staton, Mike Mignola, George Perez, Brian Bolland, Brent Anderson, Bill Sienkiewicz, Golden Age Greats Irwin Hasen and Green Lantern co-creator Martin Nodell. To celebrate the exhibition, the Cartoon Art Museum is hosting a once-in-a-lifetime “Green Tie” gala with original artwork and popular Green Lantern creators. This celebration takes place Thursday, June 9, 2011 starting at 7:00 pm at San Francisco’s Cartoon Art Museum at 655 Mission Street. Tickets to The Green Tie Event are only $30, or $15 for current Cartoon Art Museum members. Each purchased ticket includes an optional guest ticket. At this special event, visitors will be treated to a private viewing of the exhibition with the Cartoon Art Museum’s curatorial staff while enjoying wine and hors d’oeuvres. Best of all, you will mingle with some of the most talented Green Lantern writers from the past four decades, along with other comic book creators. Tickets for this fundraising event can be purchased through Guestlist Ticketing: http://guestlistapp.com/events/55929 Guests of Honor for the Green Tie event include:
• Steve Englehart (Green Lantern Corps, Detective Comics)
• Mike Friedrich (Green Lantern, Justice League of America)
• Gerard Jones (Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn, Justice League International)
• Judd Winick (Green Lantern, Batman)
Additional programming for this exhibition will be announced throughout the summer.
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“the first alien we’ve ever encountered…”
So Superman doesn’t exist in this movie’s reality, eh?
Synsidar said, on 5/4/2011 11:08:00 AM
So Superman doesn’t exist in this movie’s reality, eh?
Well, Superman is an alien only in the most superficial sense. If an alien isn’t going to be a BEM, creating one, or a race, with different body structure, biology, etc., takes work and the result might still turn people off.
SRS
Al™ said, on 5/4/2011 11:29:00 AM
Well, I skipped the trailer above, or the “spoiler” as I call them. But I am sure I will catch it on TV or the next time I go to the theatre.
Yes, it’s my pet peeve too: movie studios who show us the abbreviated version of the entire movie, spoiling any surprise.
And TV networks that insist on those “Coming up after the break:” spoilers.
Calvin Reid said, on 5/4/2011 1:04:00 PM
sign me up! I already know the pledge.
Brian Hibbs said, on 5/4/2011 1:17:00 PM
I don’t have speakers on the store’s computers, so I can’t be sure — but the visuals made it appear that the “origin” is more like Kyle’s (He happened to be nearby), rather than Hal’s traditional one of the ring specifically seeking him out because he is without fear?
If so, may I be the first to say “Foo!”?
-B
EJ said, on 5/4/2011 2:43:00 PM
I’m pretty sure that in the other trailer Abin Sur said that the ring chose Hal, he wasn’t just given the ring like Kyle so I don’t get that at all.
KET said, on 5/4/2011 3:04:00 PM
Well, that’s still underwhelming. So the big bad looks like a giant space fungus now? Guess Galactus as a giant cloud isn’t so bad anymore.
Daniel from Toronto said, on 5/4/2011 3:39:00 PM
This movie looks great, I hope it lives up to the hype! As for superman being an Alien….as far as I know isn’t public knowledge is it?
Karl Savage said, on 5/4/2011 5:18:00 PM
TMI- Green Lantern trailer. TMI.
If you watch closely you can even see Hector Hammond’s final fate in the film. The shots are out of order, but it’s totally there.
Still really looking forward to any scenes with Mark Strong’s Sinestro tho. I like Mark Strong.
AACRO said, on 5/5/2011 2:47:00 AM
this is nothing new, i mean trailers spoiling the film, which is why avoid those to movies i rly want to see or stop @ the teaser.
BradyDale said, on 5/5/2011 6:55:00 AM
As more movies come out, I realize what a fan of the team books I was as a kid, because I often don’t really know the Rogue’s Gallery of individual characters. I am really embarrassed to admit that I don’t know who the big brain guy is in this. He looks like The Leader, to me, but, yeah… wrong company. Wrong Green-themed-character.
Love Kilowog, tho. The ‘Wog was always one of the most fun sidecharacters.
Am I correct in gleaning that Sinestro isn’t going to go bad in this movie? Saving that for the sequel, I guess? That would be cool. Tho I am sure there will be some inevitable hint to his imppending badness. It’s sorta right there in the name, after all.
Will West said, on 5/5/2011 9:19:00 AM
Don’t the comics support that Hal got the ring because he was nearby? Maybe they’ve retconned it, but that was the point of Guy Gardner. The ring sought out two potential humans – Guy was just as fearless, but Hal was closer.
EJ said, on 5/5/2011 4:02:00 PM
Actually that was the retcon, Hal’s original origin and the one still used by DC today had nothing to do with where he was or Guy.
Ok, now I feel better about this. They should have held off & not released the teaser.
Rich said, on 4/22/2011 7:34:00 AM
Agree with Thomas. This looked like a dud after those first teasers full of Ryan Reynolds being Ryan Reynolds. This new trailer looks nifty.
Lee said, on 4/22/2011 8:02:00 AM
Yep, feeling much better. Good stuff.
Kat Kan said, on 4/22/2011 8:56:00 AM
Wow. I’m so going to see this now! Hal Jordan GL was my fave superhero when I was 12 years old many years ago.
Jim Kingman said, on 4/22/2011 10:33:00 AM
My wife and I saw the trailer/commercial for Green Lantern last night. She liked it, and she’s not the GL fan I am. She liked it more than the Thor ads that have been airing, and she’s been looking forward to Thor.
I’m feeling much better.
Charles Skaggs said, on 4/22/2011 11:58:00 AM
Looking good so far…
Anyone else notice that the best trailers for this movie don’t feature Blake Lively uttering a single line of dialogue?
Caged Wisdom said, on 4/22/2011 2:13:00 PM
American Idol? Really?
Torsten Adair said, on 4/22/2011 2:39:00 PM
I thought Green Lantern was black?
Or did they change that because of the “Boycott Thor” people complaining about Idris Elba?
American Idol has the biggest audience on TV, and the sort of demographics ideally suited to a summer blockbuster.
DC Comics has reduced prices for their entire line of 32-page comic books. Each issue now retails for $2.99, marked down from $3.99.
The announcement offers this quote from co-publisher Dan DiDio: “We needed a progressive pricing strategy that supports our existing business model and, more importantly, allows this creative industry to thrive for years to come. With the exceptions of oversized comic books, like annuals and specials, we are committed to a $2.99 price point.”
As Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Batman, and Tiny Titans comics get cheaper, do you think trade publishers should also lower print prices? (via Edward Champion)
Dr. Robin S. Rosenberg, co-editor of What is a Superhero, author of Superhero Origins: What Makes Superheroes Tick & Why We Care (forthcoming 2011). Take the SUPERHERO SURVEY!
Greetings all in "The Land o Blog" it is I once again. The Library Ninja that wonders the world righting wrongs, Library Ninja Bill. It's a dirty job, but someones got to do it. Speaking of Ninjas here are some of my all time favs:
The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!!!!!!
Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow!!!
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I’m not sure what the big deal is about Green Lantern. It was a kind of middle ground movie. Yes, it did feel like a movie by committee. Yes, it was pretty mediocre. But I don’t know where all the hate for the movie is coming from. People saying it was ruined and is the worst movie ever made. It just seems like this decent enough movie became the victim of some infinite feedback loop where all the film critics’ clever little built upon each other as they tried to be more clever than the last guy.
All very silly to me.
It is my understanding that Nolan has a deal that exempts him from getting studio notes. If it’s true, it explains everything in one sentence.
XMFC credited 4-5 screenwriters as well. Maybe Vaughn simply benefited from the short production time limiting studio interference.
I saw the movie Monday night and enjoyed it. At the end of the day, isn’t that what a movie is supposed to do?
@Stuart T, yes, but one of those screenwriters was the director, and another was his usual writing partner, so there was more cohesion of vision.
I liked it better than Thor by a mile.
XMFC had 4-5 credited screenwriters, but Vaughn/Goldman have said they basically reworked the entire screenplay from scratch when they came on. Nolan obviously has his own WB fiefdom, I can’t imagine any execs are sticking their hands in his films.
I agree GL was a perfectly serviceable superhero film, nowhere near as good as the first X-Men but, like that film, had enough promise to indicate a sequel could be significantly better and more successful. I haven’t seen anyone calling it “the worst movie ever made”, or anything close to that. I do believe the filmmakers and DC people have made a mistake by apparently disowning the film so quickly, giving the impression it’s a Catwoman-level disaster when it clearly isn’t.
Re XMFC: Vaughn and Goldman were clearly engaged with the source material and Vaughn’s many intelligent comments on the film show that it was a movie he wanted to make.
OTOH, Martin Campbell’s comments are almost laughably vague: Yes i made a movie! Ryan Reynolds played Green Lantern!
He’s a fine craftsman but this was not his boyhood vision.
ALSO, I’ll tell you where it went off the rails. When the first trailer with Reynolds playing the hot guy with his shirt off, the fanboys cried foul and oh no this is not our Hal!
Warners reacted and started slanting all their materials to the fanboy audience, not realizing that the ONE audience that would go opening weekend was the hardcore, thus shutting out the outliers who might have edged it over the $60 million mark.
None of this is Hollywood rocket science. It’s all a known outlier. Aim for the broad target and the hardcore will follow.
Warners execs continue to confound me. Perhaps they need to hire away someone from Marvel Studios!
@Shawn Kane:
“At the end of the day, isn’t that what a movie is supposed to do?”
Nope. At the end of the day, movies are there to make money for it’s producers. No matter how popular or even how good a movie is, if it doesn’t record a profit after marketing, it’s still considered a flop.
I haven’t seen the movie yet, so I can’t comment on it’s quality, but I will say that I decided that this probably wouldn’t be my cup of tea the first time I saw Ryan Reynolds in the CGI golf ball suit. And that’s too bad, because I’ve been a fan of Reynolds since his TV days.
Movies created by committe–especially licensed movies like this–are almost uniformly bad. Even if a movie is a big budget paint-by-numbers set like Avatar or a mess like the Star Wars prequels, at least Cameron and Lucas were following their visions for those movies and they had character.
The result is that these DC-based movies often end up being neither fish nor fowl, not following the formula that made these characters succeed to begin with, and not having a single strong hand to guide them. They smack of a bunch of suits in a conference room dictating what the audience will want.
It almost never works. In fact, it usually fails quite spectacularly.
Now that I think about it, this is the same sort of misgiving I have of DCnU (ugh, I hate that nickname). Some of the lines have been virtually untouched, while the changes to most all of the others feel like they were tacked together with canvas and baling wire by Didio, Johns and Lee in a secluded cabin in the Appalachian Mountains.
(Sorry if I veered off topic there at the end. It just occurred to me.)
I think the fact that Marvel have a deal of control over their movies, after many false starts ( Corman’s FF, The original Captain America and the ill conceived Spider-Man TV series anyone?), even those that are still in the hands of other studios like Fox and Sony, has a great deal to do with it. What happened with the DC characters was that Warners suddenly realised-too late perhaps- that they had this nerdy little company that was generating a decent profit with its comic-books and animation, and then jumped in with their collective corporate feet together. Lack of singular vision is the key here, as Kit so ably pointed out.
@Joseph
Actually, Mark Millar said, and I quote, “I hereby declare Green Lantern the worst superhero movie ever made. And yes I count The Phantom and The Shadow as superhero movies.”
He then went on to say he would see it again because it was only 8 quid…
I watched the movie and I enjoyed it. Gave it a 7.5 out of 10 but felt that it was a little shallow and could have focused on more character depth of Hal Jordan and more training scenes between Hal and Kilwog. Hopefully, that would be expanded in the 2nd movie if they decide to make one.
The Beat says:
‘ALSO, I’ll tell you where it went off the rails. When the first trailer with Reynolds playing the hot guy with his shirt off, the fanboys cried foul and oh no this is not our Hal! ”
I thought the ’shirtless’ Thor was a great selling point in the trailer. You already have the comic geek audience, so show a little skin to get the girls and the gays.
Thor turned me on. Green Lantern, not so much.
If they wanted Green Lantern to make money, they should have made it five years ago with Will Smith as the lead.
I don’t think that a shirtless Ryan Reynolds was bad, necessarily. Hal is the kind of guy who would go around with his shirt off more often if he could. I just couldn’t (and can’t) see Reynolds as Hal. I could see him as Flash (Wally, specifically) a lot more easily.
I wish they could have found a way to bring Guy and John in. Cuba Gooding Jr. as John and Justin Timberlake as Guy… that I would have paid money for.
So Millar thinks Green Lantern is the worst superhero movie ever made? Guess he doesn’t consider Kick-Ass or Wanted to be superhero movies.
Yeah, with Millar everything is either the “best” (anything he does) or “worst” (everything else) so I was discounting his opinion. No one else has suggested GL is the worst movie (superhero or otherwise) ever.